Being retired, I'm looking to do fly-fishing,
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stinkeypete
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You're free to have your own opinion, but facts are facts.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...gins/7952df90cf956d33adf658798c935853fb415da6
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Herrero, Stephen (April 2011). "Fatal attacks by American black bear on people: 1900–2009". Journal of Wildlife Management. 75 (3): 596–603. doi:10.1002/jwmg.72. S2CID 55078800
Even if I accept your wild speculation that death by black bears is triple what reported number are, ticks are still responsible for more deaths each year.
The claim that one needs some kind of special dog to find carcasses is humorous to any of us that hunt with Labradors.
https://www.semanticscholar.org/pap...gins/7952df90cf956d33adf658798c935853fb415da6
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Herrero, Stephen (April 2011). "Fatal attacks by American black bear on people: 1900–2009". Journal of Wildlife Management. 75 (3): 596–603. doi:10.1002/jwmg.72. S2CID 55078800
Even if I accept your wild speculation that death by black bears is triple what reported number are, ticks are still responsible for more deaths each year.
The claim that one needs some kind of special dog to find carcasses is humorous to any of us that hunt with Labradors.
The only time I was surprised to see a black bear was while trout fishing in Michigan way back in 1968. I was fishing a small stream in chest high waders. I was busting a bunch of small Brookies. Came around bend and 50’ from me was bear rooting in stuff washed out.
I back tracked very quietly around the bend, gave it about 30 minutes and continued on my way. I did have pistol but I never thought about shooting unless I was attacked.
I’m not afraid of Black Bears but I don’t trust them either. I don’t remember if it was the same year or 1969 but where we bear hunted every spring. Up around Gowgama, Ontario they had a black kill several people over a week or 10days. It was wrote up in Sports Afield.
I’m not afraid of rattlesnakes either, wild animals are unpredictable.
I back tracked very quietly around the bend, gave it about 30 minutes and continued on my way. I did have pistol but I never thought about shooting unless I was attacked.
I’m not afraid of Black Bears but I don’t trust them either. I don’t remember if it was the same year or 1969 but where we bear hunted every spring. Up around Gowgama, Ontario they had a black kill several people over a week or 10days. It was wrote up in Sports Afield.
I’m not afraid of rattlesnakes either, wild animals are unpredictable.
While I agree with you, it is only natural to be afraid or cautious around something that, you have no control over, and that has the ability to kill you. Granted it is uncommon. However the article cited only list killings, not maulings, or aggresive bears that were run off with spray or firearms.
I fully agree, best practices around bears. I don't think anyone it looking for a reason to shoot a bear here, just trying to make sure they stay alive if they should be so unfortunate.
I have yet to venture into bear country, but I hope to some day. I plan to carry, for both 2 legged and 4 legged threats. But I will do my best to prevent or avoid such a situation if humanly possible, unless I have bear tags
Cosmodragoon
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I've had Lyme disease. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I hadn't noticed the initial tick because it was on my back in a weird spot. I remember getting very sick. I went to two different doctors who missed it entirely and misdiagnosed my symptoms as "just a virus". One was my primary care and another was an ER doc...
Then I had a regular appointment with a different doctor for something totally unrelated. He noticed I was not doing well. I told him what I had been through and he did a full exam. He noticed a secondary bullseye on my shoulder from the spreading infection. After looking over my whole body with a lamp, he found a faded bullseye on my back where the initial bite had been.
This was years ago and I still get periodic numbness in the left side of my face. That might never resolve. Every time, it reminds me of the much worse version from when I had it. I remember what it was like to be totally drenched in sweat with tingling nerves, a horrible headache, and ringing in my ears. Seriously, I've had COVID-19 twice and COVID has nothing on Lyme Disease.
I cover the area described both fishing and on horseback.
While I have yet to encounter an angry or surprised bear my G23 is loaded with 175 gr HCLSWC / near max load of Power Pistol. Handloading makes it financially possible to use that load as a tin-can plinking and target of opportunity load as well. The more potent commercial loads should do well as long as they are FP of LSWC. As stated above, no HP.
Biggest threat is the 2 leggeds and the ticks.
While I have yet to encounter an angry or surprised bear my G23 is loaded with 175 gr HCLSWC / near max load of Power Pistol. Handloading makes it financially possible to use that load as a tin-can plinking and target of opportunity load as well. The more potent commercial loads should do well as long as they are FP of LSWC. As stated above, no HP.
Biggest threat is the 2 leggeds and the ticks.
Get some hardcast .40S&W from underwood or buffalo bore and some bear spray. Black bear arent anywhere near as big as browns, and they aren't bulletproof either. Don't forget the bug repellent.
While we do have black bear down here in FL, I'm always more concerned about the snakes and spiders, not to mention the mosquitos. I pack light with a LCP, a knife, and 50 grams of pepper gel.
While we do have black bear down here in FL, I'm always more concerned about the snakes and spiders, not to mention the mosquitos. I pack light with a LCP, a knife, and 50 grams of pepper gel.
Pathfinder45
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If you don't already have a magnum revolver, I'd recommend that you look at this as a wonderful opportunity/excuse to go out and get one. I like Ruger single action revolvers, so that's what I recommend. Super Blackhawks are nice, if you can manage the 44 Magnum. 357 Magnum is probably a better choice for most folks; but I'm a 45 Colt guy, myself.
Blindstitch
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I can tell you as a Yooper who has spent 30 years in Baraga, Marquette, Houghton and Keweenaw counties that you probably won't encounter a bear while fishing. You're more likely to run into a bear if you break all camping food rules and even then probably limited. More likely to run into a disgruntle raccoon.
Buy whatever magnum you want. If you see cubs get out. I hunt a lot of things in the U.P. and the only time things feel uncomfortable is when cubs are present during bow season. If the game camera shows cubs i'm packing. Big bears don't care about me. And if they do I call the neighbor who has hunting dogs and he chases them off the property and usually tags out on a bear.
Buy whatever magnum you want. If you see cubs get out. I hunt a lot of things in the U.P. and the only time things feel uncomfortable is when cubs are present during bow season. If the game camera shows cubs i'm packing. Big bears don't care about me. And if they do I call the neighbor who has hunting dogs and he chases them off the property and usually tags out on a bear.
stinkeypete
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+1
I'm glad someone else said it first.
A friend of mine used to hunt black bears with dogs (back when that was the norm), and he carried a 38 Special as his "bear gun". He killed dozens of black bears with a 158 gr lead 38 to the ribs. Will a 40 kill a bear? I have no doubt it will, as will a 357, a 44, a 45, or whatever you happen to poke at one.
About 25 or so years ago, me and a friend were hunting in Oregon outside of Springfield. The area we were hunting was lousy with black bears, and I busted half a dozen out of the brush while walking old skid roads. I scared one and it took off running straight uphill up a slide area, it ran for half a mile before I lost sight of him. I must have scared it half to death.
So no, I don't think you'll have trouble with bears if you go fishing.
wild cat mccane
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FMJ copper coated rounds get destroyed on steel backstops.
I have never once read or saw online a picture of a destroyed FMJ from someone hunting with a handgun round pulled from the target.
Hardcast, harder or not, can't do anything better if FMJ doesn't deform. They will perform exactly the same--no expansion or change.
So a 124gr FMJ might actually do better than a heavy "outdoor" Buffalo Bore load. Same results, more velocity, may not matter at all..
If that all makes sense.
I have never once read or saw online a picture of a destroyed FMJ from someone hunting with a handgun round pulled from the target.
Hardcast, harder or not, can't do anything better if FMJ doesn't deform. They will perform exactly the same--no expansion or change.
So a 124gr FMJ might actually do better than a heavy "outdoor" Buffalo Bore load. Same results, more velocity, may not matter at all..
If that all makes sense.
wild cat mccane
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Yep. Lyme disease is your greatest risk.
Blindstitch
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And the information around it is just as confusing. Go to the doctors, don't go to the doctors, wait till you see a bullseye, under 24 hours attached is fine.
Freaked myself out last year. I was turkey hunting in tick invested areas but I use Sawyers Permethrin clothing spray and after all that most likely picked up a tick in the yard in the city of Milwaukee. The information of what to do is filled with confusing experiences and lack of information. In the end I was fine but have ran into quite a few people who have gotten lyme disease.
https://www.sawyer.com/products/permethrin-fabric-treatment
I don't get it either. I live in the north in an area where there are a lot of black bears and unless you are baiting them you aren't going to see one. I'm much more worried about an aggressive moose but even then I'm probably much more likely to be killed by a widow maker on a windy day or catch lyme disease.
It amazes me outdoorsmen type people worry about being attacked by Black Bears, when the yuppie type are walking up and trying to hand feed them. It doesn’t take a custom special bullet to kill Blacks. Poachers been using 22s for years, same as deer. Every once in a while they have to haul a yuppie to Eroom because they didn’t respect the bear. We ain’t dealing with Grizz.
Black bears have no interest in you unless as mentioned you manage to get between a mom and her cubs. Yeah, I would be more worried about ticks. Had one show up a few blocks from me a few years back. Once they got the people out of the way the bear came down and wandered off into a wooded area. Hell, hunting whitetail in West Virginia sitting on a ledge with my Ruger 44 carbine. I expect a deer to come out of a wooded area and out comes a black bear. Maybe 10 yards from me. Bear got up on hind quarters, sniffed, looked right at me and dropped down and wandered down towards the river. The bear wanted no more to do with me than I did the bear. The numbers on black bear attacks don't lie. Then too I don't recommend having a pocket with a tuna fish sandwich in it.
Enjoy fly fishing as it's great fun. Had an uncle who fly fished extensively including Michigan. He liked making his own flies too. Great fun the times I went with him, enjoy!
Ron
Enjoy fly fishing as it's great fun. Had an uncle who fly fished extensively including Michigan. He liked making his own flies too. Great fun the times I went with him, enjoy!
Ron
Like StinkyPete said, don't leave food out and don't get between mama and her cubs. I have Yogi in my area and it has caused some property damage, but they're mostly timid. I carry b/c of Yogi and snagglepus (one of which stalked my neighbor. He turned around, saw it in time, yelled and even fire a warning shot. The warning shot didn't prompt it to walk away any faster).
I'm also a Ruger Blackhawk fan. Few Bears here, but I do hunt pigs. Killed a 354# mutha a couple of years ago. Took several 223 and 6.5 Grendel hits and finished with 45 Colt throwing a 285 Keith SWC @ 1057. My rule is anything that can hurt me gets a 44 or 45 Caliber with hard cast bullets. The load referenced above will go through 5' of critter, leaving fist sized exits.