Went back to Walmart this evening to buy the ammo making sure I had my 2 forms of ID . The problem this time was I didn't have anyone in the store authorized to sell ammo . I was told they were not selling ammo until tomorrow morning because there was no employees on shift authorized or trained to sell it at the time .
Ammo Background Checks in CA
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An astute observation. Like thinking a "Gun Free Zone" will deter someone bent on mayhem.
As you describe the trials and tribulations and stupidity you have to go through to get ammunition in California I'm aware of quite a few folk in Minnesota saying "Yeah! THAT'S what we want HERE." And it could happen.
Yes, it does. The problem is that the requirement for Real ID was announced at the last minute and not everyone in CA has one.
stephen426
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What an incredibly stupid and absurd law. What keeps people from buying ammo in neighboring states and just driving over? Heck, what keeps someone from buying ammo legally (with the background check) and then using it in an illegal manner.
I'm willing to bet that each time the ammo check is sent, it keeps a record of what type of ammo and how much ammo is being purchased. It is almost as bad a requiring your gun to be registered. Thank GOD I live in Florida, even with all the craziness we have out here. LOL
I'm willing to bet that each time the ammo check is sent, it keeps a record of what type of ammo and how much ammo is being purchased. It is almost as bad a requiring your gun to be registered. Thank GOD I live in Florida, even with all the craziness we have out here. LOL
It might. So what? Think one MORE record will matter much??
I'm not certain, but I think the CA ammo retailer has to keep a record (log?) of what gets sold, when, and to whom, as well.
Remember CA is the state where microstamping first appeared, and became law, eventually. Other proposals that haven't (yet) made it into law have been individual serial#s for each round of ammo, on case or on the bullet or both, depending on who's demanding it (or at least lot# id), unique powder "taggants", and likely other things I'm not aware of as well.
CA is the origin of the "assault weapon" hysteria and all that has brought with it, over the years. Though, to be fair, its not California, its just some of the people in it....
stephen426: said:
Since July 1st I have had 1 Basic Ammo Eligibility Check for $19 and 1 Standard Ammo Eligibility Check for $1 completed here to buy ammo. In order to get an ammo check completed you have to provide I.D., in my case, my CA drivers license. Every time they complete a check there is a DROS (Dealer Record of Sale) that is sent to the CA Dept. of Justice Bureau of Firearms, the DROS includes what caliber ammo bought, and how much bought. The dealer has to keep signed paper receipts of the DROS transaction since they are subject to audit & review. So it’s a fact that they are tracking who’s buying what, how much & how often. But I’m going to hold my nose & deal with it.
They filed a motion request for injunction yesterday .
http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-07-22-Memo-of-Ps-As-ISO-Plaintiffs-MPI.pdf
http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-07-22-Memo-of-Ps-As-ISO-Plaintiffs-MPI.pdf
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-courage-embrace-failed-gun-control-policies/
The future looks dim. All two dozen democrat presidential candidates want more restrictive gun laws, including out right bans on certain operating systems, i.e. self loading firearms.
Even the current POTUS can be said to be anti-gun.
The future looks dim. All two dozen democrat presidential candidates want more restrictive gun laws, including out right bans on certain operating systems, i.e. self loading firearms.
Even the current POTUS can be said to be anti-gun.
I wouldn't say the current administration is anti-gun, I'd say they are pro-opportunistic. If they feel being pro-gun gets them more support, they're pro-gun (lip service at least) but if they feel the other way, then they aren't pro-gun. This seems to fluctuate over different gun issues.
The Democrats, on the other hand, made gun control one of their party planks before the last election, and don't seem to be changing that. Even if there were a pro-gun Democratic candidate, the odds of them becoming the chosen candidate are slim, and none, and looks like Slim is out of town for an extended period of time...
The requested suspension of the law until the court case is settled could go either way. CA has done both, if I remember correctly. The microstamping law was suspended for a time, while court challenges were underway. The magazine capacity ban enforcement was not (after essentially one week of free trade), it was allowed to be enforced while court challenges are ongoing.
(if I am mistaken, please correct me, I'm not a CA resident so just watching this (with horror) from the outside...)
The Democrats, on the other hand, made gun control one of their party planks before the last election, and don't seem to be changing that. Even if there were a pro-gun Democratic candidate, the odds of them becoming the chosen candidate are slim, and none, and looks like Slim is out of town for an extended period of time...
The requested suspension of the law until the court case is settled could go either way. CA has done both, if I remember correctly. The microstamping law was suspended for a time, while court challenges were underway. The magazine capacity ban enforcement was not (after essentially one week of free trade), it was allowed to be enforced while court challenges are ongoing.
(if I am mistaken, please correct me, I'm not a CA resident so just watching this (with horror) from the outside...)
62coltnavy
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I bought 500 rounds of .308 at a great price, and my (tabletop) ffl bought 1000. He was checking me out after my ten day hold on a handgun, and was going to do the ammo transfer at the same time--which was going to be a first for him. He hadn't been trained, and he was unsuccessful in navigating the required information. Not only did it require the input of the caliber and amount of the ammo sold, but the bullet weight, bullet type, muzzle velocity, muzzle energy, stock number, and intended use of the ammo (hunting, training, range, plinking were the possible choices). We decided that the deal could wait, since the ammo hadn't actually made it to his doorstep yet (it was due that day).
So not only can they show that you bought a certain caliber of ammo, but can theoretically match a purchase to a bullet pulled out of anyone you shot! I haven't read Prop 63 in a while, but I have to wonder if that law allowed the DOJ to gather all of this information. Anyway, the lesson appears to be that if you plan on killing someone, use reloaded ammo that they cannot trace to you! (sarc/)
So not only can they show that you bought a certain caliber of ammo, but can theoretically match a purchase to a bullet pulled out of anyone you shot! I haven't read Prop 63 in a while, but I have to wonder if that law allowed the DOJ to gather all of this information. Anyway, the lesson appears to be that if you plan on killing someone, use reloaded ammo that they cannot trace to you! (sarc/)
Won't work, either way.
The reason it won't work has to do with language and our court system.
NO expert, including crime labs, will testify that the bullet is an exact match. They don't need to. What they will say is that the bullet "is consistent with..."
Remember that all the prosecution has to "prove" to the jury is that you had means, motive, and opportunity. You possessing (having purchased, or made yourself) a bullet that "is consistent with" the crime bullet = "means".
having detailed records of all the ammo you purchase simply makes proving you had the means, a simpler matter for the prosecution. They don't even have to find any of that ammo in your possession, it doesn't matter, if they have a record of you buying it, that's all they need to prove to a jury you had the means.
Proving that you had means, motive, and opportunity does NOT prove you committed the crime. But it does mean you cannot be excluded from being a suspect.
The rest is up to the jury, and as Mark Twain is reputed to have said, a jury is 12 men who decide which side has the better liar.
Aguila Blanca
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I haven't read the actual law but I'd be surprised if it doesn't address "importation." If it does, bringing back ammo from a neighboring state would be a crime.SIGSHR said: