A Grudging Review of the Glock 19
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Tactical Jackalope
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Thank you! Exactly. It rocks the PPQ any day of the week and twice on Sunday. I used to own a PPQ.
My favorite trigger on a carry gun, or any of my guns for that matter. I don't mean to toot my own horn either, but I have a pretty heavy collection of handguns.
Try it out! Promise it's worth it McGee.
Glenn E. Meyer
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About decockers - they are suggested to be a cause of some NDs in the human factor analyses of such.
They are a way to try to keep folks from pulling a SA trigger on a SA/DA gun by accident. But it's not clear the increased trigger pull really does does when the gun goes DA.
Trigger off the finger is the magic cure. Making the gun more complicated or with inconsistent trigger pull between first and second makes little sense - if in fact the increased trigger pull hasn't cut down the ND rate.
Yep, folks say they master the first DA pull. But some folks say that having a heavier first pull leads to an ND when someone rests their finger on a gun that switched to SA and they assume a heavier pull is there.
So why bother with such.
They are a way to try to keep folks from pulling a SA trigger on a SA/DA gun by accident. But it's not clear the increased trigger pull really does does when the gun goes DA.
Trigger off the finger is the magic cure. Making the gun more complicated or with inconsistent trigger pull between first and second makes little sense - if in fact the increased trigger pull hasn't cut down the ND rate.
Yep, folks say they master the first DA pull. But some folks say that having a heavier first pull leads to an ND when someone rests their finger on a gun that switched to SA and they assume a heavier pull is there.
So why bother with such.
It's not inconsistent. The first pull is always heavier and the second pull is always lighter.
Huh?
So someone violating the principal rules of safety somehow makes DA/SA MORE unsafe? Wow, that's a bit of a stretch.Because I shoot them better.
I haven't met a striker fired pistol yet that I can shoot as well as a DA/SA pistol. More so I like having a hammer fired gun and I like that hammer being exposed. Different strokes for different folks you know.Tactical Jackalope
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^ I wish I had it that easy.
I always have a never ending battle from within between my SIG's vs. my Glock's.
The Glock always wins for CCW and shoot-ability. But in my heart I prefer my SIG's but in my mind I prefer my Glock's.
It just hurt saying that.
::fetal position::
I always have a never ending battle from within between my SIG's vs. my Glock's.
The Glock always wins for CCW and shoot-ability. But in my heart I prefer my SIG's but in my mind I prefer my Glock's.
It just hurt saying that.
::fetal position::
Sticking with one trigger system helps. As for CCW and size that's why I went from SIG to HK. I love SIGs, but frankly the HKs are lighter and easier for me to conceal. I'm hoping to post a review soon of an FNP9-M. A compact model FN made that didn't see a lot of production but is basically the same height and length of a Glock 19 with the same capacity, except in DA/SA. Seems like it will prove a good option.
One gripe I have with Glock is those stock sights. The Glocks I've shot are capable of good accuracy, but those sights mess me up. I find I have to bury the front sight so it is slightly covered by the rear sight if I want to hit POA, otherwise I shoot high. Of course a sights switch is an easy thing, especially on Glocks.
One gripe I have with Glock is those stock sights. The Glocks I've shot are capable of good accuracy, but those sights mess me up. I find I have to bury the front sight so it is slightly covered by the rear sight if I want to hit POA, otherwise I shoot high. Of course a sights switch is an easy thing, especially on Glocks.
Tactical Jackalope
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Always, always, always, a huge plus to stick to one trigger system. That's why my Glock 19 always wins with me when it comes to life duty. Because I moved from SIG Sauer DA/SA to Glock's "safe-action" and it wasn't easy either, trust me. But now with my Glock 19, I feel married. I can't let it go either. It's like my extremity. Especially with the NY1 + Minus connector.
O_O I await your review on that FNP9...That sounds like a damn good trade off.
I recall you preferring the HK to the SIG. Nothing wrong with that at all IMO. Same code of arms.
The stock sights on Glock's are like the Ford Pinto of the gun world. Insanely ridiculous and dangerous. One handed manipulations of racking the slide is out the window. They will rip right off. I don't mind dangerous, smoking a cigarette while flooring it in reverse in a Ford Pinto dangerous. But stock sights on a Glock are a no no.
Mine all sport Trijicon HD's.
Tactical Jackalope
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These are my two main CCW/work/everything guns. They both have their own rigs for the TLR-1s.
Haven't trained with the P226 in over a year. I love these two guns.
Some questions
1 The grip texture on 4th gen feel rough and uncomfortable. How do you make them feel soft?
2 Also it is hard for me to push the slide stop lever upwards.
Would installing the upgrade Glock extended slide stop lever make it easier to push it upwards?
push down is not an issue. pushing up the slide stop lever is hard for me.
3 would you recommend installing any other upgrades including the recoil assembly - say stainless steel or the tungsten?
1 The grip texture on 4th gen feel rough and uncomfortable. How do you make them feel soft?
2 Also it is hard for me to push the slide stop lever upwards.
Would installing the upgrade Glock extended slide stop lever make it easier to push it upwards?
push down is not an issue. pushing up the slide stop lever is hard for me.
3 would you recommend installing any other upgrades including the recoil assembly - say stainless steel or the tungsten?
LockedBreech
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The G19/G23 "compact" frame Glocks pack a really impressive amount of function into a fairly small and quite light package. I have no idea why I don't own one already. I am sure enough that I'll own one that I grabbed a handful of G19 and G23 mags during the most recent mag panic.
Oddly enough, even though they're not very different at all, the full-size Glocks don't really work for me.
Oddly enough, even though they're not very different at all, the full-size Glocks don't really work for me.
leadcounsel
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Glock fanboy here.
I love the fine craftsmanship and metal of Ruger and Smith wheelguns, Sigs, Gen 3 stainless S&W wondernines, 1911s, etc.
I'm in a position to be able to carry any handgun I'd want. I want something for day-to-day carry with total expectation of durability, toughness, not worrying about damaging the finish, reliability, accuracy, etc. I like my defensive guns to be all business. I find the Glocks fit the bill in that they are just plain tough, rugged, durable, accurate, affordable, light, great capacity, simple and all business.
Welcome to the club!
I love the fine craftsmanship and metal of Ruger and Smith wheelguns, Sigs, Gen 3 stainless S&W wondernines, 1911s, etc.
I'm in a position to be able to carry any handgun I'd want. I want something for day-to-day carry with total expectation of durability, toughness, not worrying about damaging the finish, reliability, accuracy, etc. I like my defensive guns to be all business. I find the Glocks fit the bill in that they are just plain tough, rugged, durable, accurate, affordable, light, great capacity, simple and all business.
Welcome to the club!
I know exactly what's wrong with that gun because I once fixed another shooter's pistol that had exactly the same problem. The problem is that owner didn't read the manual.
Here's the part he should have read.
"Note that the copper colored lubricant found on portions of the of the slide of brand new GLOCK pistols should not be removed, as it will help to provide long-term lubrication of the slide."
If that lubricant is removed, especially from a new pistol, it should be replaced with a light grease. The ramped cam surface inside the upper, rear, right-hand side of the slide is especially critical. If that surface is thoroughly cleaned (all the grease removed) and is not relubricated, there can be enough friction between the ramp/cam and the "ear" of the connector to prevent the gun from cycling. That is particularly true if the pistol is relatively new and the surfaces haven't smoothed out from wear.The owner of the pistol was very impressed when I took his malfunctioning pistol and restored it to perfect operation with a drop of oil. He had cleaned it with an ultrasonic cleaner and hadn't relubricated the ramp/cam inside the slide.
Please, folks. Read your manual--there's good information in there. At least read it before you resort to bending parts.
JohnKSa,
I never knew this until I read your post. I am one of those who skipped the manual. I thought the "rust" colored grease was just shipping/packaging grease and was to be removed when purchased.
I removed mine and it has ran fine. But I do keep my rails lubricated with a light amount of oil.
Thanks for your post as I now know to leave it on my next Glock purchase.
I never knew this until I read your post. I am one of those who skipped the manual.
I thought the "rust" colored grease was just shipping/packaging grease and was to be removed when purchased. I removed mine and it has ran fine. But I do keep my rails lubricated with a light amount of oil.
Thanks for your post as I now know to leave it on my next Glock purchase.
Spats McGee
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Spats McGee's admission
It's been just over 5 months since I originally posted this thread. I've only been back to the range a couple of times since then, due to an incredibly busy work schedule. That means that I've only shot another 150 rounds or so through the G19 since I first posted the review. When I went to the range last week, I had a variety of things to shoot, including the second G21 that I've ever shot, but that's a discussion for a diffferent day. Anyway, I only put about 3 magazines' worth through the G19 that day. Still, I haven't had so much as a hiccup since that first ammo-related FTF. I've cleaned it a couple of times, but that has seemed more like an excuse to fiddle with it than anything it really needed.
With warmer weather on the way, and more help in our office, I hope to get more range time over the summer than I've been able to get in the past 6 months or so. I'll probably update this review in another 500 or 1000 rounds, just to see how the G19 and I are getting along. I'm tempted to run it without cleaning for 500-1000 rounds, just to see how she does. I don't want to do one of those full-blown, bury-em-in-molten-chocolate torture tests, but I would like to see how well she runs dirty.
One thing that I have noticed is that the G19 has been seeing more and more time on the hip than when I first got it. In fact, I just bought two more holsters (a CBST and a Fobus paddle) for it, so that I have holsters appropriate to almost every occasion. She's not the only gun in the rotation, but she does seem to travel with me a lot.
Despite all of my protestations about not wanting to like Glocks, I guess the time has come to be honest with myself about it, and admit that I like this G19.
It's been just over 5 months since I originally posted this thread. I've only been back to the range a couple of times since then, due to an incredibly busy work schedule. That means that I've only shot another 150 rounds or so through the G19 since I first posted the review. When I went to the range last week, I had a variety of things to shoot, including the second G21 that I've ever shot, but that's a discussion for a diffferent day. Anyway, I only put about 3 magazines' worth through the G19 that day. Still, I haven't had so much as a hiccup since that first ammo-related FTF. I've cleaned it a couple of times, but that has seemed more like an excuse to fiddle with it than anything it really needed.
With warmer weather on the way, and more help in our office, I hope to get more range time over the summer than I've been able to get in the past 6 months or so. I'll probably update this review in another 500 or 1000 rounds, just to see how the G19 and I are getting along. I'm tempted to run it without cleaning for 500-1000 rounds, just to see how she does. I don't want to do one of those full-blown, bury-em-in-molten-chocolate torture tests, but I would like to see how well she runs dirty.
One thing that I have noticed is that the G19 has been seeing more and more time on the hip than when I first got it. In fact, I just bought two more holsters (a CBST and a Fobus paddle) for it, so that I have holsters appropriate to almost every occasion. She's not the only gun in the rotation, but she does seem to travel with me a lot.
Despite all of my protestations about not wanting to like Glocks, I guess the time has come to be honest with myself about it, and admit that I like this G19.
Heh, heh. Welcome to the dark side. I am kind of in the same boat as you. I have pistols that are prettier and more elegant and smoother and even feel better, but my one and only Glock (a G26) is the one that goes nearly everywhere with me.
I have to say that one of the advantages to me is that it started out kind of ugly, so I don't mind seeing wear and even a little ding or two, kind of like having an old beater pickup that you can trust to do the heavy work even if you wouldn't drive it to take your wife out to a nice restaurant.
I have to say that one of the advantages to me is that it started out kind of ugly, so I don't mind seeing wear and even a little ding or two, kind of like having an old beater pickup that you can trust to do the heavy work even if you wouldn't drive it to take your wife out to a nice restaurant.