1911 or P220
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What stage is that? Dead? To bad, your loss.
And what kind of attitude is that anyway? Youre never as good as you think you are, and theres always something more to learn.
As someone who shot DA/SA primarily for years, I agree with asking why. Most of us have limited time and money. If you don't want to then don't. I will admit that being good with double action does, in my experience, make a noticeably positive impact on my shooting. Even if I mix it in a given shooting session and then switch to my Glocks I do better. That said, if you already have limited time to practice or train with your primary method of carry, I don't think it's essential to do.
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YOUR purpose should guide your choice- not ours.
There are real concerns about muscle memory and familiarity- for both safety disengagement and trigger control [due to trigger weight and break point] for defensive firearms.
There are ways around those issues.
I prefer to have BOTH a 1911 AND a P220.
Same capacity, so the only real question is how you want to use it- carry daily or minute of tin can/paper scoring? And, once you decide that, you STILL haven't decided which to carry.
Does Cocked and Locked make you nervous for carry? Or, at all? If not, then it is hard to get a better trigger than can be had in the 1911 platform- and hard to spend as much as is possible on a high-end 1911.
If C/L carry makes you nervous- then you have a few options: Get a DA/SA pistol [Sig P220], Get a striker-fired pistol [Glock, M&P, XD, Etc], get a Revolver, or Train yourself to become comfortable with it.
When I got back into shooting around age 30, Cocked and Locked made me nervous, and I preferred DA/SA.
Now, 1911s, Browning High Powers, Taurus P92 [pre 1990], and CZ 75 [Non-Decocker] don't worry me at all.
I have more single-action semi-autos than DA/SA or Striker- by a ratio of something like 6-1. At age 30 it was 1-4.
YOU Decide what is right for YOUR tastes/interests/needs.
And report back.
There are real concerns about muscle memory and familiarity- for both safety disengagement and trigger control [due to trigger weight and break point] for defensive firearms.
There are ways around those issues.
I prefer to have BOTH a 1911 AND a P220.
Same capacity, so the only real question is how you want to use it- carry daily or minute of tin can/paper scoring? And, once you decide that, you STILL haven't decided which to carry.
Does Cocked and Locked make you nervous for carry? Or, at all? If not, then it is hard to get a better trigger than can be had in the 1911 platform- and hard to spend as much as is possible on a high-end 1911.
If C/L carry makes you nervous- then you have a few options: Get a DA/SA pistol [Sig P220], Get a striker-fired pistol [Glock, M&P, XD, Etc], get a Revolver, or Train yourself to become comfortable with it.
When I got back into shooting around age 30, Cocked and Locked made me nervous, and I preferred DA/SA.
Now, 1911s, Browning High Powers, Taurus P92 [pre 1990], and CZ 75 [Non-Decocker] don't worry me at all.
I have more single-action semi-autos than DA/SA or Striker- by a ratio of something like 6-1. At age 30 it was 1-4.
YOU Decide what is right for YOUR tastes/interests/needs.
And report back.
I'll see your blackhawk, and raise you a Super Blackhawk! [but Marlin 1894 .44mag- yep].
Seriously though, no one who picks a quality firearm is making a horrible choice- it just may not be the perfect fit for their hand/needs/interests, and those needs/interests could change later.
[get both- you know you want to!]
corneileous
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I dunno, that Sig Sauer Spartan 1911 is a pretty sexy pistol....
.....but it’s still a 1911. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have anything against 1911-style pistols, I just don’t like how much of a pain in the butt they are to tear down and put back together. But I guess it depends on what 220 your after, also. My Sig P220 Elite 10mm is single-action only, and it’s probably really meant to be carried cocked and locked like a 1911 because the safety is almost identical to the 1911- this gun’s just easier to maintain in my opinion.
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.....but it’s still a 1911. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have anything against 1911-style pistols, I just don’t like how much of a pain in the butt they are to tear down and put back together. But I guess it depends on what 220 your after, also. My Sig P220 Elite 10mm is single-action only, and it’s probably really meant to be carried cocked and locked like a 1911 because the safety is almost identical to the 1911- this gun’s just easier to maintain in my opinion.
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corneileous
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I will agree field stripping the P 220 is a simple joy. HOWEVER, detail stripping the 1911A1 is simpler and easier and (at least with GI guns) doesn't require tools beyond a pencil, toothpick, small twig or pointed bullet rifle round.
The Sig 220 is a bit more ...complex, and complicated. to do more than just field strip.
Does this matter? To me, yes, to someone else, probably not. I was Army trained to repair the 1911A1, and while 40 years later I won't claim to be able to do it blindfolded, its not a chore. I've had a Sig P220 (Browning BDA 45) since 1980 and have NEVER disassembled the frame and only removed the breech block from the slide once, (and found out you're supposed to use new roll pins when you reassemble it. )
Aguila Blanca
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[QUOTE-Corneileous]Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really have anything against 1911-style pistols, I just don’t like how much of a pain in the butt they are to tear down and put back together. But I guess it depends on what 220 your after, also. My Sig P220 Elite 10mm is single-action only, and it’s probably really meant to be carried cocked and locked like a 1911 because the safety is almost identical to the 1911- this gun’s just easier to maintain in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I can't imagine any semi-auto handgun being easier to maintain than a 1911.
I can't imagine any semi-auto handgun being easier to maintain than a 1911.
corneileous
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Well, I guess maybe there’s other 1911’s that are much easier and much less pain in the backside to field strip than some. My Sig220 is as easy to tear down as my XDE Springfield or my Beretta PX4’s. My cousin’s Remington R1a- nice shootin’ gun but a b!tch to tear down.
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corneileous
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I could see it as no sweat if you’re that familiar with it but someone like me, it took me about an hour and finally resorting to a YouTube video to get the Remington R1a of my cousin’s taken apart and put back together. This was after he just bought it, mind you. He had never owned a 1911 prior to this and I had never messed with one either.
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silvermane_1
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Well I own a 1911 so that would be my choice, however a P220 isn't a bad choice.