You guys from Oklahoma(DownStaters)
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Agents of the BATF went to a home SE of Stilwell to serve a "firearms warrant". "Someone opened fired". Agents returned fire killing one and wounding one. Two others managed to escape. A fifth was taken into custody.
A methamphetamine lab was in production inside at the time of the shooting. "An ATF spokesman in Washington said he did not have immediate details Friday morning".
That was excerps from this AM's paper. Nothing else has been reported.
www.oklahoman.com
A methamphetamine lab was in production inside at the time of the shooting. "An ATF spokesman in Washington said he did not have immediate details Friday morning".
That was excerps from this AM's paper. Nothing else has been reported.
www.oklahoman.com
Try the Tulsa World online.
Apparently the ATF was "processing" the scene when they were fired on from the woods.
Stilwell is a very rural and isolated county seat in a hilly and poor county. Lots of moonshiners in the old days, druggies today. A very dangerous place to go up a holler. There's a high native American population and a fine strawberry festival. Drop in sometime.
Apparently the ATF was "processing" the scene when they were fired on from the woods.
Stilwell is a very rural and isolated county seat in a hilly and poor county. Lots of moonshiners in the old days, druggies today. A very dangerous place to go up a holler. There's a high native American population and a fine strawberry festival. Drop in sometime.
I wonder if I believe a word of what the ATF says. Probably a small church with a few BB guns that they were going to raid that got out of hand.
I have heard the Meth Lab excuse before.
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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
[This message has been edited by CassidyGT (edited June 03, 2000).]
I have heard the Meth Lab excuse before.
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
[This message has been edited by CassidyGT (edited June 03, 2000).]
Having worked that neck of the woods scouting
grass patches in the early 80's, I find the
Meth lab a real possibility. The SE part of the state is still very much the wild wild west. It isn't wise to wander off in the woods if you're not known to the locals. Reasonable chance you won't wander back. While the ATF folks aren't my personal favorites, I'd guess they're lucky to have made it out to tell the story. Just my dos centavos.
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Liberty or Death......... without compromise.
grass patches in the early 80's, I find the
Meth lab a real possibility. The SE part of the state is still very much the wild wild west. It isn't wise to wander off in the woods if you're not known to the locals. Reasonable chance you won't wander back. While the ATF folks aren't my personal favorites, I'd guess they're lucky to have made it out to tell the story. Just my dos centavos.
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Liberty or Death......... without compromise.
I agree with your description of that area and far SE Oklahoma. My grandfather still lives in Ft Towson. Very close knit communities and NOT, repeat NOT stranger oriented.
Did some back road roaming down there ONCE! Wandered onto a small dirt road and couldn't turn around. Finally had to pull into and open fence just to turn around. Before I could pull in and back up, two pickups and a shotgun were starin' at me. Don't know where they came from cause I hadn't seen a sole in awhile. After some discussion, they decided I was Ok, let me turn around and followed me back to the main highway. Just bein', "neighborly".
Truck seats weren't stained, but they sure smelled funny!
Did some back road roaming down there ONCE! Wandered onto a small dirt road and couldn't turn around. Finally had to pull into and open fence just to turn around. Before I could pull in and back up, two pickups and a shotgun were starin' at me. Don't know where they came from cause I hadn't seen a sole in awhile. After some discussion, they decided I was Ok, let me turn around and followed me back to the main highway. Just bein', "neighborly".
Truck seats weren't stained, but they sure smelled funny!
STLRN, I don't know. If so, must be oil field contamination. (desposal well stuff)
Now we went to Rock lake down there, 2m north of there and swam.
I think that the camp was on or near Little River. May have had a flood.
Hey James, you for sure did not bore me with your E-mail,thanks.
If you would, tell these guys too. It was cool.
Now we went to Rock lake down there, 2m north of there and swam.
I think that the camp was on or near Little River. May have had a flood.
Hey James, you for sure did not bore me with your E-mail,thanks.
If you would, tell these guys too. It was cool.
OK, JHS... at least this isn't going to be another flipping rant. Sometimes I think Sam Kennison has put a mojo hex spin on me.
Howdy JHS:
After 60 some years I'm in contact with somebody from the old neighborhood. Don't know how old you are and its none of my business but do you know anybody around the Sasakwa district who lived there in the early 40s? We lived on an Mid Continent oil lease about 5 miles south east of Sasakwa. There was an oil derick 100 yards from our lease house. This was quite close to the Canadian river. No electricity but had gas jets on the walls, no running potable water either. Out door privy complete Monkey Ward catalog, dried corn cobs and spiders. Radio had a 12 volt battery to listen to Fibber Mc gee & Molly along with Amos & Andy. I had a next door school chum name of Andy Anderson. You mentioned Wewoka, my dad use to take the famil to Wewoka 15 miles north of us. We were treated to strawberry sodas and movie show with its wooden seats and small screen, all 5 of us got in for about 50 cents. The
shorts were always the 3 stooges. So Sasakwa is a gas pump and a school. I went to that school to the 1st grade, then we moved to Kaliforny (shades of Grapes of Wrath) so dad could find work to support the family. Hope I'm not boring you with this flash back nostalgia trip. I remember when the big war first broke out and a steam train stopped next to our school baseball diamond. U.S. Army troops off loaded and bivwacked on the school grounds. Man, it was exciting to see all that hardware. Tanks, cannons, jeeps and trucks with their trailers. I think the rifles were bolt action. They had pitched their 2 man pup tents and stacked their rifles in a group. They only stayed for a couple of days and never knew why they came there in the first place but glad they did.
I was a curious little runt and asked some of those G.I.s what they had in a canvas covered slat boarded trailer. There ansere was... HITLER. Well, I had to see that and I asked them to let me see him. The sgt (3 stripes) chuckled and said...no, no, he don't speak English and he's too mean to talk to. Went around telling all my classmates they had Hitler over in a trailer. Some of them started bugging those soldirs to let them see him. That might have been 1942 a real early period of the WW-2. Those guys probably wound up in North Africa. All during that early time frame the troop train rail lines were heavly guarded by solders with fixed bayonets 100 yards apart on the train tracks. Saw that as we came into the town of Saskwa.
Thanks for your signal.
Jim
Howdy JHS:
After 60 some years I'm in contact with somebody from the old neighborhood. Don't know how old you are and its none of my business but do you know anybody around the Sasakwa district who lived there in the early 40s? We lived on an Mid Continent oil lease about 5 miles south east of Sasakwa. There was an oil derick 100 yards from our lease house. This was quite close to the Canadian river. No electricity but had gas jets on the walls, no running potable water either. Out door privy complete Monkey Ward catalog, dried corn cobs and spiders. Radio had a 12 volt battery to listen to Fibber Mc gee & Molly along with Amos & Andy. I had a next door school chum name of Andy Anderson. You mentioned Wewoka, my dad use to take the famil to Wewoka 15 miles north of us. We were treated to strawberry sodas and movie show with its wooden seats and small screen, all 5 of us got in for about 50 cents. The
shorts were always the 3 stooges. So Sasakwa is a gas pump and a school. I went to that school to the 1st grade, then we moved to Kaliforny (shades of Grapes of Wrath) so dad could find work to support the family. Hope I'm not boring you with this flash back nostalgia trip. I remember when the big war first broke out and a steam train stopped next to our school baseball diamond. U.S. Army troops off loaded and bivwacked on the school grounds. Man, it was exciting to see all that hardware. Tanks, cannons, jeeps and trucks with their trailers. I think the rifles were bolt action. They had pitched their 2 man pup tents and stacked their rifles in a group. They only stayed for a couple of days and never knew why they came there in the first place but glad they did.
I was a curious little runt and asked some of those G.I.s what they had in a canvas covered slat boarded trailer. There ansere was... HITLER. Well, I had to see that and I asked them to let me see him. The sgt (3 stripes) chuckled and said...no, no, he don't speak English and he's too mean to talk to. Went around telling all my classmates they had Hitler over in a trailer. Some of them started bugging those soldirs to let them see him. That might have been 1942 a real early period of the WW-2. Those guys probably wound up in North Africa. All during that early time frame the troop train rail lines were heavly guarded by solders with fixed bayonets 100 yards apart on the train tracks. Saw that as we came into the town of Saskwa.
Thanks for your signal.
Jim