which caliber parent case is most prevelent at your place ???

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Magnum Wheel Man

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I was working in my gun room last night, when it struck me...

on one rifle rack, I have a 25-06, 270, 30-06, & 35 Whelen... 4 different cartridges based on the same case... I think that is the most I have... ( at least that I can think of, off the top of my head )

I also have some wildcat Contender chamberings, based on 223 cases, & 30-30 cases, but I think the old '06 case holds the most variation in my firearms...

I'm sure for many, the .308 case could be the same...

so what is your most prevalent parent case, & what calibers variations do you have???
 
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AllenJ

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Belted Magnum I'm ashamed to say :D They are not all mine though but I do reload for them. My 300 Winchester, my son and cousins 7mm Remington Mag, my uncle's 264 Winchester, and going back a bit my brother had a 338 Winchester.
 
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44 AMP

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While not the "parent" case of all of them, during their design, the venerable old '06 case can be the "father" of a lot. At my house, .22-250, .243, 6mm, 25-06, .308 Win, 7.7mm Jap and 8mm Mauser could all be made from 06 brass.

I don't do it, because I don't need to, but I could make all those (and several others as well) from 06 brass.

You can also, with the right dies, make .357AMP, .44AMP, .45 Win Mag and even .45acp from 06 brass, if you have to....
 
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FrankenMauser

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I don't have a lot of overlapping cartridges. But the parents would be:

Rifles: .30-03 -- accounting for .270 Win, .30-06, and .35 Whelen. And, you might include .444 Marlin in there, if you want to get picky, since the .444 Marlin case was based on the '03/'06 case when it was designed (they just went to straight-taper, cut it to length, and added a rim).

Handguns: .32 S&W -- accounting for .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R, and .327 Federal.


44 AMP - .243 Win and .308 Win can be formed from .30-06, but the 'parent' is actually .300 Savage. The 7.62x51mm case was designed by lengthening the .300 Savage, rather than chopping the .30-06. To me, that thought process is about like putting socks on after you tie your shoes .... but that's how they chose to approach the cartridge. :rolleyes:

I do understand why you brought it up, though. From a reloader's standpoint, the parent is what you can form from. When I think 'parent', though, I think more along the lines of cartridge lineage.
 
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Brian Pfleuger

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.308

Ironically, I have not a single actual .308 but I reload for 7mm-08, .243Win and .243AI.

I guess next most you could loosely say is 40SW, as I reload .357sig and 10mm too... also without having an actual .40SW. Technically, 10mm would be the parent case, I guess, sort of.:D
 
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chiefr

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While not the "parent" case of all of them, during their design, the venerable old '06 case can be the "father" of a lot. At my house, .22-250, .243, 6mm, 25-06, .308 Win, 7.7mm Jap and 8mm Mauser could all be made from 06 brass.
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Absolutely AMP. I prefer the 270 over 30-06 because it is common and easier to find around here. I shoot several '06 no 270.
For the past years, the classics like 8x57, 7.7 and 7.62x53 are hard to find thus I have to roll my own.
 
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William T. Watts

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My favorite rifles are my model 70 Winchesters w/claw extractors!

270 model 70 Winchester, two 30/06 a Ruger Bolt gun & a Danish Beretta M-1 Garand plus a 338/06 I built on a Argentine model 98 Mauser. I have two 280Rem Both are bolt guns, Ruger and a Model70 W/claw extractor, plus another model 70 w/claw extractor that is a 22/250. I have two other Winchester rifles, 307 model 94 big bore and Winchester 9422 take down rifle. I don't take them out as often as I use to especially the 9422 because I can't find ammo for it.. William
 
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Bart B.

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I've got more .308 Winchester cases and rifles so I'll begin with the original case the .308 technically started from; Springfield Armory's .30-03. In order, they are:

.30-06, Newton's .250-3000 wildcat, .300 Savage, Frankford Arsenal T65, Frankford Arsenal FAT1E3, an influential parallel project in the late 1940's of Winchester's original .30-80 cartridge development from scratch (not from another case) which convinced them to get permission from the US Army Chief of Ordnance to commercialize the FAT1E3 round as the .308 Winchester in 1952. Two years later, the FAT1E3 round was named the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge in 1954.
 
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jmr40

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Most all of those are based on the 7X57 if you go back far enough. It was tweaked to make the 30-03, which is the parent case for 30-06 and all of it's lineage. Even the 308 based cartridges are based on a modified 7x57.
 
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Bart B.

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Yes, that Mauser case design was the impetus for the .30-03, but it's head diameters were larger like that of the 7.65 Argentine Mauser case. All of the descendants of the .30-03 had its same head diameters.

Details; such a conundrum and rarely significant after all's said and done.

The .400/.375 belted Holland & Holland case (ca. 1905) was the first belted one and it's head dimensions have been passed on to all its descendants; as far as I know.
 
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std7mag

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Well, in the house I shoot/reload for 7mm-08, and friend staying with us has .308 Win.
I also shoot/reload for 7mm Rem Mag, 40S&W, 45ACP, 38Special, 357Mag.

Looking to get either a .243Win, or .260 Rem for g/f. (maybe I can have my 7mm-08 back :D)

As for me, I'm thinking of a target rifle build on the 6.5mm Rem Mag.
 
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RC20

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I would make a clear difference between a parent case and what can be formed.

444 Marline seems to be a stretch (or a rim) due to not just the rim but removing the bottleneck.

Now I have to look up 308 as I always thought it was 30-06 parent (at least the back of it!

This group tends to come up with the darndest things and now I have to look!

Ok, on the 308/7.62 NATO if you track it back far enough the 30-06 is the parent (grandparent or great grandparent ) case. But as noted, if you change it that much what is a parent and what's a child? The back end in this case (pun intended!) is the remnant.

So, is the 30-06 the all time Parent champ? It seems to have been the most proliferate.
 
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Unlicensed Dremel

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Yeah, .30-06 for sure, due to .280 and .280 AI, but .308 is a close 2nd (.260 & .243). I don't like to form cases from other headstamps - life is confusing enough without doing this, lol. I guess I'm getting old.
 
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RC20

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Yeah, .30-06 for sure, due to .280 and .280 AI, but .308 is a close 2nd (.260 & .243). I don't like to form cases from other headstamps - life is confusing enough without doing this, lol. I guess I'm getting old.
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I must be older still, had not thought about ramifications of fire formed and doing that does not automatically change the head stamp!

Ok, off my list, I am confused enough. Well realistically I had never thought it out past the first part, but I can easily see the consequences being somewhat shattering.

Well, at the first chance, hoist one for the 30-03/06, its got legs that I had not thought of, I would put it as the all time finest cartridges ever by itself and its branches are astonishing by any standards. 308 alone through a multiple descendent process is maybe the ultimate refinement (I know, its better but I just can't accept that the 06 isn't the king)

Great post and got some thinking and looking going on.
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FrankenMauser

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So, is the 30-06 the all time Parent champ? It seems to have been the most proliferate.
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If you want to talk about the .30-06 "family" as most people consider it, you actually need to go back one generation to the .30-03.
.30-03 was the parent of .30-06, .270 Win, .35/375/400 Whelen, and .280 Remington. Then, .30-06 was the parent of .25-06, 8mm-06, .338-06, .250-3000, .300 Savage, etc.
And, although .30-06 is in the .308 Win's lineage, it was actually developed by "stretching" .300 Savage. (As mentioned above, and expounded upon by other posters.)


But, if you go too far down the "what's the real parent" road, you find yourself in the 1800s, looking at 7x57mm Mauser (as mentioned by other posters).
But, why stop there? You can trace the 7x57mm Mauser all the way back to 11mm Gras, which is, itself, a derivative of a crappy 11mm rimfire cartridge. And, going further down that road, before you know it.... you're throwing rocks.
 
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jmorris

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9mm would be at the top of the list at more than 50k. 45 acp, 40 and .223 also gets stored in 5 gallon buckets. Other non "game gun" ammo I have in lower volumes.
 
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std7mag

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If I can get Quality Cartridge to get off of their butts, and make the casings I ordered last fall, I would be using an old English casing for my "parent"... ;)
 
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