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When will we be able to buy Glock G46 in US?
- Thread starter Kurbsky
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Never heard of it. What is it?
Joe
It’s reported to be a rotating barrel Glock.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/02/05/exclusive-photos-new-glock-46/
https://www.all4shooters.com/en/sho...luger-German-Saxony-Anhalt-state-police-test/
Frankly I haven’t heard anything about it in some time. The second article says it isn’t available for civilian sales, though even that article is from the end of 2019.
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Destructo6
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So, what's the claimed advantage over the standard Glock tilting barrel?
Double Naught Spy
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So the rotary barrel is supposed to be more accurate, which I guess is just fine except for the fact that Glock pistols were already plenty accurate for pistols. Given typical pistol shooting distances, the accuracy aspect likely won't matter to most shooters as they won't actually be able to shoot well enough to notice a difference and/or won't be shooting far enough to notice a difference.
Here is an "old" Glock 17 with 365K rounds through it that is shooting better groups than the rotary barrel at the same distance. Granted, it is a 3 shot versus 5 shot group and the results are not 100% comparable, but it attests to the idea that the improvement in accuracy isn't apt to be noticed by (most) shooters.
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/09/glock-17-pistol-torture-test/
The down side to the rotary barrel, according to the article, is increased wear, which Glock says they have dealt with by hardening the locking surfaces.
I am all for guns being more accurate, but I am not sure that the purported increased accuracy is significant enough to account for the increased complexity of design or other potential issues that may crop up with a new design that are previously resolved with the old design. It is sort of like the New Coke issue. Nothing was wrong with the old Coke.
Here is an "old" Glock 17 with 365K rounds through it that is shooting better groups than the rotary barrel at the same distance. Granted, it is a 3 shot versus 5 shot group and the results are not 100% comparable, but it attests to the idea that the improvement in accuracy isn't apt to be noticed by (most) shooters.
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/09/glock-17-pistol-torture-test/
The down side to the rotary barrel, according to the article, is increased wear, which Glock says they have dealt with by hardening the locking surfaces.
I am all for guns being more accurate, but I am not sure that the purported increased accuracy is significant enough to account for the increased complexity of design or other potential issues that may crop up with a new design that are previously resolved with the old design. It is sort of like the New Coke issue. Nothing was wrong with the old Coke.
As best as I understand it, the rotary barrel was simply a requirement to bid on a contract with the German law enforcement agency(ies), and that requirement was added to intentionally rule out the Austrian company from the bidding. Political games. I suspect they produced it just to stick it to the German agency.
I don't believe it's considered to be "better" by any means - other than by marketing if they do decide to adopt it for consumer sales.
I don't believe it's considered to be "better" by any means - other than by marketing if they do decide to adopt it for consumer sales.
So the rotary barrel is supposed to be more accurate, which I guess is just fine except for the fact that Glock pistols were already plenty accurate for pistols. Given typical pistol shooting distances, the accuracy aspect likely won't matter to most shooters as they won't actually be able to shoot well enough to notice a difference and/or won't be shooting far enough to notice a difference.
Here is an "old" Glock 17 with 365K rounds through it that is shooting better groups than the rotary barrel at the same distance. Granted, it is a 3 shot versus 5 shot group and the results are not 100% comparable, but it attests to the idea that the improvement in accuracy isn't apt to be noticed by (most) shooters.
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/09/glock-17-pistol-torture-test/
The down side to the rotary barrel, according to the article, is increased wear, which Glock says they have dealt with by hardening the locking surfaces.
I am all for guns being more accurate, but I am not sure that the purported increased accuracy is significant enough to account for the increased complexity of design or other potential issues that may crop up with a new design that are previously resolved with the old design. It is sort of like the New Coke issue. Nothing was wrong with the old Coke.
Comparing group sizes across different users at different sites brings in a lot of variables. Ammunition choices, how the pistol is shot, etc. Is that Glock 17 actually more accurate than a Glock 46? Hard to say. I agree regular Glocks are certainly accurate. I will say that I personally have noticed the Gen 5 Glocks I own to be more accurate than the Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glocks I’ve owned. Sometimes changes can result in noticeable differences.
This new design adds 3 parts over a standard Glock. Could those 3 parts be problematic? They might be.
One other advantage of this is supposed to be somewhat reduced felt recoil due to the lower bore axis (the second article above has a picture showing the difference). Will this really matter when shooting 9mm out of a compact sized 9mm? I don’t know.
In the end no one here wrote the contract. Someone did write the contract and Glock won it, which is good for Glock regardless of if they sold this new pistol or a previously existing design. As best as I can tell whether or not the differences are worth it is somewhat of a moot point because there is no evidence this will be offered for civilian sales.
Some people actually liked New Coke better, as crazy as that might be. It doesn’t seem like Glock will stop developing tilting barrel pistols any time soon so Old Coke isn’t going away.
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Double Naught Spy
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.Comparing group sizes across different users at different sites brings in a lot of variables. Ammunition choices, how the pistol is shot, etc. Is that Glock 17 actually more accurate than a Glock 46? Hard to say. I agree regular Glocks are certainly accurate
When the claim is made that something is more accurate than the previous design, I would expect some less questionable documentation, LOL.
They posted their results and they didn't look superior to the results of folks shooting older Glocks at the same distance.
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When the claim is made that something is more accurate than the previous design, I would expect some less questionable documentation, LOL.
They posted their results and they didn't look superior to the results of folks shooting older Glocks at the same distance.
It’s not the same people shooting or measuring the groups you’re comparing. You’re comparing a writer-chosen, 3 shot group from a Ransom Rest to a series of fourteen 5 shot groups from a sandbag. I don’t know that I consider that apples to apples.
It’s a third party website as well, not Glock themselves. I’m not sure a third party website owes anyone any kind of “documentation” when they make a statement about a certain action type in general. This was what the article stated :
“By the way, rotary action pistols are said to be more accurate, since the barrel does not tilt or moves back as with the Browning-SIG-Petter system, but only performs a rotating motion.”
I don’t personally read that statement as a claim that this pistol will be definitively more accurate than Glock’s existing designs. Seems more like a hypothesis.
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