What MOA should I expect...

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TXAZ

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I recently purchased a Daniel Defense Hunter in .308. I like how it shoots.

Question for you semi experts: With ammo such as Fiocchi or Remington UMC 150 grain, what accuracy in MOA should I expect?
3 hole groups were at 0.92” at 100 yards.

How about with Federal Sierra Match 168 gr?
3 shots made a 0.64” group.
Are these typical, or there’s room for improvement?

I'm not really interested in hand loading but if I was, what MOA do you think I could acheive?

Thanks!

Edit to add pic of .64" group of 3:
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jimbob86

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3 hole groups were at 0.92” at 100 yards.
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If you can hold to that consistently from field positions, then maybe think about handloading to make it smaller, or at least cheaper to duplicate on a regular basis..... when you get bored with that, go to Camp Perry and show up the folks who have been struggling to do this for years ....get noticed, and get some sponsorships ...... you could wear Fiochi SWAG (Sorry, Remington is in Banlruptcy ATM) and maybe they'd front you some ammo to show off with?
 
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Jim Watson

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Bart might come along and tell you that there is a good bit of luck involved in three shot groups, but by gunzine standards, you are doing very well.
 
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ammo.crafter

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<1" moa

Sweet shooter...both you and the rifle.

Never "fix" anything that's not broke!

What results would you like to get?

Certain rounds are inherently supremely accurate ie .222 Remington for example.
 
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Bart B.

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A single 3-shot group doesn't define the accuracy the rifle and ammo has. That's my opinion.

The largest 3-shot group of several best defines the accuracy. You'll equal or better it every time one's shot. 'Tis nye impossible to always shoot smallest groups because they show what happens when all the variables cancel each other out.
 
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TXAZ

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Not bragging, I really don’t know.
GA says they have a .4 MOA rifle, and (a relative) police officer / sniper has been telling me DD is not a good precision rifle.
The other “standard” I have is a 1.5-2 MOA .50 cal Barrett, great for tagging hippos at a mile or 2 but not touching holes at 200 yards.
 
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WillmannJohn

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Several points:

The Indian is more important that the arrow, so I say this assuming you have mastered your fundamentals which will be put to the test out of a semi-auto rifle. Then, there is the matter of the hardware: match grade barrel, trigger, BIPOD (makes a huge difference), stock, etc. etc. etc.

Get yourself some super high quality match ammo....then try it. I've had my best results from my LMT MWS .308 with Prime Ammo's 175 grain match ammo. With it I consistently am getting between .34-.37 MOA at 100.

And then there is this.....

If you are at .64" MOA...you are good enough for deer hunting.
 
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dahermit

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jimbob86 said:
If you can hold to that consistently from field positions, then maybe think about handloading to make it smaller, or at least cheaper to duplicate on a regular basis..... when you get bored with that, go to Camp Perry and show up the folks who have been struggling to do this for years ....get noticed, and get some sponsorships ...... you could wear Fiochi SWAG (Sorry, Remington is in Banlruptcy ATM) and maybe they'd front you some ammo to show off with?
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I think it is safe to assume that he is shooting those "groups" from the bench.
 
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Metal god

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With all due respect , For you to say you don’t know what a good group is regardless of firearm with 4000+ posts here and 10 years of experience on this forum seems a bit odd to me . Somebody with your experience should know anything sub moa is good , close to half moa is great especially using a factory rifle .

I don’t know maybe most of those 4000 posts were in law and civil rights or something and you actually don’t shoot firearms very often or ask many questions here on this forum about shooting Firarms . If that’s the case, yes that’s pretty good shooting . What would I expect from a rifle like that moa or a tad better five shot group . You may get a little bit better with some handloads but I wouldn’t expect too much better . If you really want to know what the rifle is capable of with you behind the wheel shoot five or 10 , 10 round groups letting the barrel cool between strings . I believe that will give you an accurate assessment of what that rifle really can do with you shooting it .

I’ve personally shot a few .25 3 shot groups at 300 yards . Best five shot group half MOA and I don’t want to talk about my 10 shot groups at 300yds
 
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TXAZ

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Interesting observation Metal Guy, never had a semi that shot this well, and if you read the OP, comparing that to a .50 engine block/hippo killer isn’t much of a comparison.
Have a great say!
 
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Metal god

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OP said:
I recently purchased a Daniel Defense Hunter in .308. I like how it shoots.

Question for you semi experts: With ammo such as Fiocchi or Remington UMC 150 grain, what accuracy in MOA should I expect?
3 hole groups were at 0.92” at 100 yards.

How about with Federal Sierra Match 168 gr?
3 shots made a 0.64” group.
Are these typical, or there’s room for improvement?

I'm not really interested in hand loading but if I was, what MOA do you think I could acheive?

Thanks!
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Interesting observation Metal Guy, never had a semi that shot this well,
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I must of missed that bold section in the OP because it would have put the whole post into a different context . With out it you came off sounding like a noob looking for some first time help , yet you have been a member for 10yrs and over 4k post . FWIW I didn't see any engine block stuff in the first post either so I'm not sure what you think I missed or should have read . But hey glad I could help you gain some perspective . ;)
 
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Bart B.

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Daniel Defense has no accuracy guarantee on its website. They imply their barrels last forever.

They claim their hammer forged barrels are best for accuracy. Button rifled and cut rifled ones win the matches and set records. Hammer forged barrels cost the least to make p.

If their bolt face isn't squared up to the chamber axis, fired cases will have out of square heads and test groups will be up to 1 MOA bigger with such reloads. M1 and M14 rifles are notorious for this.
 
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T. O'Heir

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"...using the bipod..." Bipods really aren't solid enough. However, Rule Number 1. It ain't broke. Don't fix it. Mind you, shooting factory all the time gets expensive quickly.
"...3 hole groups were at 0.92” at 100 yards..." Using what? Remington UMC is low ending hunting ammo. So is Fioochi.
Like Bart says, a single or even a few 3 round groups doesn't prove much.
 
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