Desert Heat
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Is it any better than ACP?
What is the deal with 45 GAP
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Mike in VA
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JMHO, but I think it's the answer to a question nobody asked. Marketing
Actually it does answer a question for some. Very small-handed people that otherwise would choose the .45 ACP in a double stack grip simply can't find comfort and good grip tension with large circumference (for them) grips. Supposedly the GAP brings the circumference down to just small enough for a lot of small handed folks to manage. A friend of mine has smaller hands than mine and that's saying something. He got the Springfield XD in .45 GAP and loves it. He had been wanting a higher capacity .45 for years, but his hands simply could not handle the size.
Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of waiting to see if it's a commercial success. If you like it, get one. I would handload anyway. It is an attractive idea and I'd like to try one out. I'm all for a more efficient cartridge, but I haven't read any reloading tables yet. I'm betting you can get a fuller case and that makes it more difficult to double charge. Those are good things.
Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of waiting to see if it's a commercial success. If you like it, get one. I would handload anyway. It is an attractive idea and I'd like to try one out. I'm all for a more efficient cartridge, but I haven't read any reloading tables yet. I'm betting you can get a fuller case and that makes it more difficult to double charge. Those are good things.
"Anyway, I'm not sure of the purpose of waiting to see if it's a commercial success. If you like it, get one. I would handload anyway. It is an attractive idea and I'd like to try one out. I'm all for a more efficient cartridge, but I haven't read any reloading tables yet. I'm betting you can get a fuller case and that makes it more difficult to double charge. Those are good things."--Bud Helms
I can't disagree, but I would be concerned that if it is not a commercial success, components for handloading might eventually disappear. Of course, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if no one buys them....
I can't disagree, but I would be concerned that if it is not a commercial success, components for handloading might eventually disappear. Of course, that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy if no one buys them....
I'm a LEO in Miami, FL. My Department issues Glock 22C's and allows officers to buy .45 caliber Glocks to carry. I tried the G21 and although it's a very good shooter, it just didn't fit my hands.
When the G37 (GAP) came out, so did my checkbook. Several of my officers and I tested the GAP with both the .40 and the .45 ACP. In all weights we tested, 185, 200, and the 230 grain, the GAP equalled the performance of the ACP. In the 200 grain load it actually performed better. Higher velocity and bigger wound channel.
Is it better than the ACP? No. What it does is give you ACP performance in a smaller frame. More people (officers) can handle the G37 frame better than the G21 frame. Several agencies are testing and starting to issue the GAP just for that reason.
I think it's worth the effort. Hopefully it'll finally start to catch on more.
When the G37 (GAP) came out, so did my checkbook. Several of my officers and I tested the GAP with both the .40 and the .45 ACP. In all weights we tested, 185, 200, and the 230 grain, the GAP equalled the performance of the ACP. In the 200 grain load it actually performed better. Higher velocity and bigger wound channel.
Is it better than the ACP? No. What it does is give you ACP performance in a smaller frame. More people (officers) can handle the G37 frame better than the G21 frame. Several agencies are testing and starting to issue the GAP just for that reason.
I think it's worth the effort. Hopefully it'll finally start to catch on more.
.45 GAP will shoot in a 625 revolver, w/full moon clips. I'd love to see the following guns in .45 GAP:
1. Webley 9 shot DAO w/fixed sights, moon clip mandatory.
2. Mauser c96 with fixed sights and both stripper clip- and detachable box magazine-feeding.
3. Beretta 38-44 in .45 GAP, greasegun style folding stock.
4. M3A1 greasegun w/akm-style muzzle comp.
1. Webley 9 shot DAO w/fixed sights, moon clip mandatory.
2. Mauser c96 with fixed sights and both stripper clip- and detachable box magazine-feeding.
3. Beretta 38-44 in .45 GAP, greasegun style folding stock.
4. M3A1 greasegun w/akm-style muzzle comp.