TOLL CHARGE FOR EMAIL.

BigG

New member
Friends, I rec'd this from a friend and copy you without comment except that it is another example of the fed gum't eroding the rights of honest Americans. Oh yeah, the part about the lawyer working without pay is a hoot! :)

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> CNN has reported that within the next two weeks Congress is going to vote on allowing telephone companies to CHARGE A TOLL FEE for Internet access.
>
> Translation:
> Every time we send a long distance e-mail we will receive a long distance charge. This will get costly.
>
> Please visit the following web site and file a complaint. Complain to your Congressperson. We can't allow this to pass! The following address will allow you to send an e-mail on this subject DIRECTLY to your
> Congressperson.
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> http://www.house.gov/writerep <http://www.house.gov/writerep>
> http://www.house.gov/writerep <http://www.house.gov/writerep>
>
> Pass this on to your friends. It is urgent! I hope all of you will pass this on to all your friends and family. We should ALL have an interest in this one.
>
> WAIT, THERE'S MORE.
>
> IN ADDITION, the last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push through legislation that will affect your use of the Internet.
>
> Under proposed legislation the U.S. Postal Service will be attempting to bilk email users out of "alternate postage fees".
>
> Bill 602P will permit the Federal Govt to charge a 5 cent surcharge on every email delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP.
>
> Washington D.C. lawyer Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from becoming law.
>
> The U.S. Postal Service is claiming that lost revenue due to the proliferation of email is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year.
>
> You may have noticed their recent ad campaign, "There is nothing like a letter".
>
> Since the average citizen received about 10 pieces of email per day in 1998 ,the cost to the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents per day, or over $180 dollars per year, above and beyond their regular Internet
costs.
>
> Note that this would be money paid directly to the U.S. Postal Service for a service they do not even provide.
>
> The whole point of the Internet is democracy and non-interference. If the federal government is permitted to tamper with our liberties by adding a surcharge to email, who knows where it will end.
>
> You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of bureaucratic inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from New York to Buffalo. If the U.S. Postal Service
is allowed to tinker with email, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States.
>
> One congressman, Tony Schnell? has even suggested a "twenty to forty dollar per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the government's proposed email charges.
>
> Note that most of the major newspapers have ignored the story, the only exception being the Washingtonian which called the idea of email surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come"(March 6th, 1999) Editorial.
>
> Don't sit by and watch your freedoms erode away! Send this e-mail to EVERYONE on your list TODAY, and tell all your friends and relatives to write to their congressman
> and say "No!" to Bill 602P.
>
> It will only take a few moments of your time, and could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we don't want.
>
> PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EMAIL REMEMBER THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES THAT EFFECT ALL OF US ONLINE LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD NOW, NOT AFTER.[/quote]
>

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Be mentally deliberate, but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle.
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Jim V

New member
It has been covered here in the past, you will have to do a search to find the postings.

From what I remember and have learned, it is a URBAN LEGEND and not to be taken seriously.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
 

BigG

New member
Thanks Guys, I read (and posted) the Email before I had my morning coffee! The urban legend rumor mill is still grinding out the rumors! Sorry for the bogus heads-up!

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Be mentally deliberate, but muscularly fast. Aim for just above the belt buckle.
Wyatt Earp
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
BigG,

Personal opinion: As a former firefighter,
I'd rather deal with a thousand honest, false alarms,
than miss a single fire.
 

jimpeel

New member
Some sites to check when you get these e-mails that may or may not be true or raise the specter of illigitimacy:

Myths, Hoaxes, and Urban Myths

Computer Virus Myths http://kumite.com/myths/

CIAC Internet Chain Letters http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACChainLetters.html

Urban Legends and Folklore http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/

Urban Legends Reference Pages http://www.snopes.com/

The AFU & Urban Legends Archive http://www.urbanlegends.com/

Also, to see what is really happening on the Internet front in Congress, go to:
http://reagan.com/HotTopics.main/HotMike/document-10.27.1999.4.html

I think you will be pleased.


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T-Rex

New member
If phone companies want to charge for access to the lines that THEY built and own, then they should be allowed to. They will have to keep in mind however, that the next phone company down the road will probably be happy to take their business by charging less. Either way, the market will adjust until both suppliers and consumers can agree on a price, as long as the government stays out of the game.

On the postal charge thing, that idea is simple theft by empire building bureaucrats, or at best a new tax. It is pure B.S., and is pointless to boot. If snail mail is becoming obselete, then so be it. There were many carriage makers at the turn of the century who lost their jobs to the car, but you don't see us raising taxes to subsidize their "lost revenue".

As a matter of fact, why should the government be involved in the business of postal service anyway? The private sector could do it better, cheaper, and more fairly than they can. I say it should be privatized, so I can stop subsidizing artificially cheap mail service for people who choose to live in remote locations. That way the costs of moving mail to expensive locations are bourne by the people who make the decision to incur them.

Commence flaming now.

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jimpeel

New member
T,

You ask "As a matter of fact, why should the gavernment be involved in the business of postal service anyway?"

The easy answer is article I, Section 8
 

dZ

New member
when ever you get one of these urban legends via email reply with this:

******************************************************************
WARNING, CAUTION, DANGER, AND BEWARE!
Gullibility Virus Spreading over the Internet!
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WASHINGTON, D.C.--The Institute for the Investigation of Irregular
Internet Phenomena announced today that many Internet users are becoming
infected by a new virus that causes them to believe without question
every groundless story, legend, and dire warning that shows up in their
inbox or on their browser. The Gullibility Virus, as it is called,
apparently makes people believe and forward copies of silly hoaxes
relating to cookie recipes, email viruses, taxes on modems, and
get-rich-quick schemes. "These are not just readers of tabloids or
people who buy lottery tickets based on fortune cookie numbers," a
spokesman said. "Most are otherwise normal people, who would laugh at
the same stories if told to them by a stranger on a street corner."
However, once these same people become infected with the Gullibility
Virus, they believe anything they read on the Internet. "My immunity to
tall tales and bizarre claims is all gone," reported one weeping victim.
"I believe every warning message and sick child story my friends forward
to me, even though most of the messages are anonymous." Another victim,
now in remission, added, "When I first heard about Good Times, I just
accepted it without question. After all, there were dozens of other
recipients on the mail header, so I thought the virus must be true." It
was a long time, the victim said, before she could stand up at a Hoaxees
Anonymous meeting and state, "My name is Jane, and I've been hoaxed."
Now, however, she is spreading the word. "Challenge and check whatever
you read," she says. Internet users are urged to examine themselves for
symptoms of the virus, which include the following:

the willingness to believe improbable stories without thinking
the urge to forward multiple copies of such stories to others
a lack of desire to take three minutes to check to see if a story
is true

T. C. is an example of someone recently infected. He told one reporter,
"I read on the Net that the major ingredient in almost all shampoos
makes your hair fall out, so I've stopped using shampoo." When told
about the Gullibility Virus, T. C. said he would stop reading email, so
that he would not become infected. Anyone with symptoms like these is
urged to seek help immediately. Experts recommend that at the first
feelings of gullibility, Internet users rush to their favorite search
engine and look up the item tempting them to thoughtless credence. Most
hoaxes, legends, and tall tales have been widely discussed and exposed
by the Internet community. Courses in critical thinking are also widely
available, and there is online help from many sources, including:

Department of Energy Computer Incident Advisory Capability at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
Symantec Anti Virus Research Center at http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/index.html
McAfee Associates Virus Hoax List at http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.html
Dr. Solomons Hoax Page at http://www.drsolomons.com/vircen/hoax.html
The Urban Legends Web Site at http://www.urbanlegends.com
Urban Legends Reference Pages at http://www.snopes.com
Datafellows Hoax Warnings at http://www.Europe.Datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm

Those people who are still symptom free can help inoculate themselves
against the Gullibility Virus by reading some good material on
evaluating sources, such as

Evaluating Internet Research Sources at http://www.sccu.edu/faculty/R_Harris/evalu8it.htm
Evaluation of Information Sources at http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~agsmith/evaln/evaln.htm
Bibliography on Evaluating Internet Resources at http://refserver.lib.vt.edu/libinst/critTHINK.HTM

Lastly, as a public service, Internet users can help stamp out the
Gullibility Virus by sending copies of this message to anyone who
forwards them a hoax.

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This message is so important, we're sending it anonymously!
Forward it to all your friends right away!
Don't think about it!
This is not a chain letter!
This story is true!
Don't check it out!
This story is so timely, there is no date on it!
This story is so important, we're using lots of exclamation points!!!
For every message you forward to some unsuspecting person, the Home for
the Hopelessly Gullible will donate ten cents to itself. (If you wonder
how the Home will know you are forwarding these messages all over
creation, you're obviously thinking too much.)
******************************************************************
ACT NOW! DON'T DELAY! LIMITED TIME! NOT SOLD IN ANY STORE!
 

T-Rex

New member
An excelent point. Despite that fact however, the question remains. I know the government has the power to open a post office. What I want to know is SHOULD they still be running it? I'm about to commit heresey here, but (dramatic pause)even the Constitution isn't perfect. It was designed to be a living document, that could change if there was sufficient reason. I think in this case, no change would even be needed. The Constitution says that Congress shall "have the power" to do establish Post offices and to build Post roads. It does not say that Congress must exercize that power.

There was a reason why these powers were given to the government back then. The country was young and undeveloped. The establishment of an infrastructure for transportation and communication was a major priority that was sufficiently unprofitable that it would not likely have been provided by the private sector. It was in effect, a public good. These days, the services of transportation and communication can be more efficiently fulfilled by the private sector. If there is a down-side to privatization at the national level, I am unaware of it. Government involvement is no longer needed. As such, I believe Unckle Sam should hand the reigns over to the entrepreneurs of America.

Thomas Jefferson said that "That government is best, which governs least". He was right. In many ways government is like a fire that we as a society, start to keep us warm and safe from wild animals. As long as it remains under control, it is a good and usefull tool. Like fire though, it can easilly get out of control, becoming a terrible destructive force. To prevent this, the government of a free country needs to be kept as small. Since there is a nearly universal tendency for governments to grow (especially in a democratic system where people can vote themselves tax dollars), every opportunity to shrink it should be taken. I think this might be such an opportunity.
Sorry for ranting, but I couldn't resist. :) I'll be quiet for a while now, I promise.

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T-Rex

New member
Hey guys, sorry about going on about something that isn't even happening. I read the first part, and then replied without reading the rest of the thread. I guess that shows what happens when you shoot off at the mouth without checking things out first. Didn't mean to make an a$$ out of myself. ;)
 

John/az2

New member
T-Rex,

TOO LATE!!!! Baaaaahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

(hey! I'm grinning here... been there, done that... :))

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John/az

"The middle of the road between the extremes of good and evil, is evil. When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
 

Futo Inu

New member
It's probably just a matter of time before this kind of thing really is tried. I trust it will fail when the time comes.

BTW, BigG, lawyers do work without pay on matters of concern to them all the time - it's called pro bono work, and I do it too occasionally when I have a destitute client and/or cause I really believe in. Although the report my be an urban legend, that part doesn't seem the least bit unbelievable to me. I suggest it's a bad habit to generalize about any group.

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