To stay PC here is a list of words to avoid using

Alan B

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The Echelon attack

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Internet activists last week tried to overwhelm National Security Agency eavesdroppers by flooding the Echelon spy system with fabricated messages about terrorist plots and bombs.
The idea never posed a real threat to the NSA, but the electronic protest helped raise awareness of the fact that the government is snooping on every man, woman and child in the country through this system.

Organizers urged Internet users to send millions of e-mails with NSA "keywords" designed to trigger eavesdropping programs and analysis. The idea was to flood the powerful NSA computers with enough suspicious traffic to crash them and disrupt the mysterious high-tech listening system.

How serious is the threat to civil liberties posed by Echelon? A 1997 report commissioned by the European Parliament described "routine and indiscriminate" monitoring of faxes, e-mails and telephone messages in Europe by the global spy network, which it said was coordinated by the NSA with the help of other nations' security organizations. Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga., has said he supports congressional hearings to determine the scope of the spy network's capabilities and to prevent abuses.

Dozens of websites promoted the protest by listing some of the keywords believed to set off the Echelon trackers. But my sources tell me the spy network is far more sophisticated than the web protesters anticipated. It can easily filter out communications specifically designed to set it off with random keywords. Screening software helps the NSA ignore communications written or spoken as "bait."

Want to see a longer list than you have ever seen before? Here it is:

Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charges, ambush, sniping, motorcade, IRS, BATF, jtf-6, mjtf, hrt, srt, hostages, munitions, weapons, TNT, rdx, amfo, hmtd, picric acid, silver nitrite, mercury fulminate, presidential motorcade, salt peter, charcoal, sulfur, c4, composition b, amatol, petn, lead azide, lead styphante, ddnp, tetryl, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, mines, grenades, rockets, fuses, delay mechanism, mortars, rpg7, propellants, incendiaries, incendiary device, thermite, security forces, intelligence, agencies, hrt, resistance, psyops, infiltration, assault team, defensive elements, evasion, detection, mission, communications, the football, platter charge, shaped charges, m118, claymore, body armor, charges, shrapnel, timers, timing devices, boobytraps, detcord, pmk 40, silencers, Uzi, HK-MP5, AK-47, FAL, Jatti, Skorpion MP, teflon bullets, cordite, napalm, law, Stingers, RPK, SOCIMI 821 SMG, STEN, BAR, MP40, HK-G3,FN-MAG, RPD,PzB39, Air Force One, M60, RPK74, SG530, SG540, Galil arm, Walther WA2000, HK33KE, Parker-Hale MOD. 82, AKR, Ingram MAC10, M3, L34A1, Walther MPL, AKS-74, HK-GR6, subsonic rounds, ballistic media, special forces, JFKSWC, SFOD-D, SRT, Rewson, SAFE, Waihopai, INFOSEC, ASPIC, Information Security, SAI, Information Warfare, IW, IS, Privacy, Information Terrorism, Kenya, Terrorism Defensive Information, Defense Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive Information Warfare, NAIA, SAPM, ASU, ECHELON ASTS, National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, SAO, Reno, Compsec, JICS, Computer Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, RSP, ISS, JDF, Passwords, NAAP, DefCon V, RSO, Hackers, Encryption, ASWS, Espionage, USDOJ, NSA, CIA, S/Key, SSL, FBI, Secret Service, USSS, Defcon, Military, White House, Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, SALDV, PEM, resta, RSA, Perl-RSA, MSNBC, bet, AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX, STARLAN, 3B2, BITNET, Tanzania, SAMU, COSMOS, DATTA, E911, FCIC, HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, ram, JICC, ReMOB, LEETAC, UTU, VNET, BRLO, SADCC, NSLEP, SACLANTCEN, FALN, 877, NAVELEXSYSSECENGCEN, BZ, CANSLO, CBNRC, CIDA, JAVA, rsta, Active X, Compsec 97, RENS, LLC, DERA, JIC, rip, rb, Wu, RDI, Mavricks, BIOL, Meta-hackers, ^?, SADT, Steve Case, Tools, RECCEX, Telex, OTAN, monarchist, NMIC, NIOG, IDB, MID/KL, NADIS, NMI, SEIDM, BNC, CNCIS, STEEPLEBUSH, RG, BSS, DDIS, mixmaster, BCCI, BRGE, SARL, Military Intelligence, JICA, Scully, recondo, Flame, Infowar, Bubba, Freeh, Archives, ISADC, CISSP, Sundevil, jack, Investigation, JOTS, ISACA, NCSA, ASVC, spook words, RRF, 1071, Bugs Bunny, Verisign, Secure, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, JIC, bce, Lacrosse, Flashbangs, HRT, IRA, EODG, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, site, SASSTIXS, NAVWAN, NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, SARD, LABLINK, USACIL, SAPT, USCG, NRC, ~, O, NSA/CSS, CDC, DOE, SAAM, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC, CIM, ISN, DJC, bemd, SGC, UNCPCJ, CFC, SABENA, DREO, CDA, SADRS, DRA, SHAPE, bird dog, SACLANT, BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, SC, TA SAS, Lander, GSM, T Branch, AST, SAMCOMM, HAHO, FKS, 868, GCHQ, DITSA, SORT, AMEMB, NSG, HIC, EDI, benelux, SAS, SBS, SAW, UDT, EODC, GOE, DOE, SAMF, GEO, JRB, 3P-HV, Masuda, Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, radint, MB, CQB, CONUS, CTU, RCMP, GRU, SASR, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, SART, BBE, STEP, Echelon, Dictionary, MD2, MD4, MDA, diwn, 747, ASIC, 777, RDI, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-11, EODN, SHS, ^X, Shayet-13, SADMS, Spetznaz, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS, Halcon, NSS, Duress, RAID, Uziel, wojo, Psyops, SASCOM, grom, NSIRL, D-11, SERT, VIP, ARC, S.E.T. 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Meade, NSWT, press-release, WISDIM, burned, Indigo, wire transfer, e-cash, Bubba the Love Sponge, Enforcers, Digicash, zip, SWAT, Ortega, PPP, NACSE, crypto-anarchy, AT&T, SGI, SUN, MCI, Blacknet, ISM, JCE, Middleman, KLM, Blackbird, NSV, GQ360, X400, Texas, jihad, SDI, BRIGAND, Uzi, Fort Meade, *&, gchq.gov.uk, supercomputer, bullion, 3, NTTC, Blackmednet, :, Propaganda, ABC, Satellite phones, IWIS, Planet-1, ISTA, rs9512c, South Africa, Sergeyev, Montenegro, Toeffler, Rebollo, sorot, cryptanalysis, nuclear, 52 52 N - 03 03 W, Morgan, Canine, GEBA, INSCOM, MEMEX, Stanley, FBI, Panama, fissionable, Sears Tower, NORAD, Delta Force, SEAL, virtual, WASS, WID, Dolch, secure shell, screws, Black-Ops, O/S, Area51, SABC, basement, ISWG, $ @, data-haven, NSDD, black-bag, rack, TEMPEST, Goodwin, rebels, ID, MD5, IDEA, garbage, market, beef, Stego, ISAF, unclassified, Sayeret Tzanhanim, PARASAR, Gripan, pirg, curly, Taiwan, guest, utopia, NSG, orthodox, CCSQ, Alica, SHA, Global, gorilla, Bob, UNSCOM, Fukuyama, Manfurov, Kvashnin, Marx, Abdurahmon, snullen, Pseudonyms, MITM, NARF, Gray Data, VLSI, mega, Leitrim, Yakima, NSES, Sugar Grove, WAS, Cowboy, Gist, 8182, Gatt, Platform, 1911, Geraldton, UKUSA, veggie, XM, Parvus, NAVSVS, 3848, Morwenstow, Consul, Oratory, Pine Gap, Menwith, Mantis, DSD, BVD, 1984, blow out, BUDS, WQC, Flintlock, PABX, Electron, Chicago Crust, e95, DDR&E, 3M, KEDO, iButton, R1, erco, Toffler, FAS, RHL, K3, Visa/BCC, SNT, Ceridian, STE, condor, CipherTAC-2000, Etacs, Shipiro, ssor, piz, fritz, KY, 32, Edens, Kiwis, Kamumaruha, DODIG, Firefly, HRM, Albright, Bellcore, rail, csim, NMS, 2c, FIPS140-1, CAVE, E-Bomb, CDMA, Fortezza, 355ml, ISSC, cybercash, NAWAS, government, NSY, hate, speedbump, joe, illuminati, BOSS, Kourou, Misawa, Morse, HF, P415, ladylove, filofax, Gulf, lamma, Unit 5707, Sayeret Mat'Kal, Unit 669, Sayeret Golani, Lanceros, Summercon, NSADS, president, ISFR, freedom, ISSO, walburn, Defcon VI, DC6, Larson, P99, HERF pipe-bomb, 2.3 Oz., cocaine, $, impact, Roswell, ESN, COS, E.T., credit card, b9, fraud, ST1, assassinate, virus, ISCS, ISPR, anarchy, rogue, mailbomb, 888, Chelsea, 1997, Whitewater, MOD, York, plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, WWSV, Atlas, IWWSVCS, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, SASSTIXS, IWG, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, NSRB, eternity server, Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, Johohonbu, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, niche, ISEP, ISEC, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, NRO, Red Cell, NSOF, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, LITE, PKK, HoHoCon, SISMI, ISG, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, HAMASMOIS, SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, Monica, OAU, PFS, Aladdin, AG, chameleon man, Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, .375, Peering, CSC, Tangimoana Beach, Commecen, Vanuatu, Kwajalein, LHI, DRM, GSGI, DST, MITI, JERTO, SDF, Koancho, Blenheim, Rivera, Kyudanki, varon, 310, 17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP, Sardine, SBIRS, jaws, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, meta, Faber, SFPD, EG&G, ISEP, blackjack, Fox, Aum, AIEWS, AMW, RHL, Baranyi, WORM, MP5K-SD, 1071, WINGS, cdi, VIA, DynCorp, UXO, Ti, WWSP, WID, osco, Mary, honor, Templar, THAAD, package, CISD, ISG, BIOLWPN, JRA, ISB, ISDS, chosen, LBSD, van, schloss, secops, DCSS, DPSD, LIF, PRIME, SURVIAC, telex, SP4, Analyzer, embassy, Golf, B61-7, Maple, Tokyo, ERR, SBU, Threat, JPL, Tess, SE, EPL, SPINTCOM, ISS-ADP, Merv, Mexico, SUR, SO13, Rojdykarna, airframe, 510, EuroFed, Avi, shelter, Crypto AG.

I know, I know. Hard to believe that such a list could be real? I mean, if words like "Rivera" are included, every Yankee box score would trigger an NSA alert. But, nevertheless, this is much closer to the keyword list actually used by NSA. So, don't ask your wife to take out the "garbage" over the phone. Don't discuss "Whitewater" with your e-mail buddies -- unless you don't mind Big Brother listening in. And, please, don't ask me what half this stuff means. All I know is that it irritates the gods of government. So be careful out there.


here is the link http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19991027_xcbtl_the_echelo.shtml


since I am a gun owner and PC programmer it looks like everything I sends get a look
 

dZ

New member
so if we write a program that encodes our common words & phrases into the above dictionary, we could send email that would appear to be NSA troll bait but really be secret messages!

fire up TFL decoder 1.0!

Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, JIC, bce, Lacrosse,
Flashbangs, HRT, IRA, EODG, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, site, SASSTIXS, NAVWAN,
NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, SARD, LABLINK, USACIL, SAPT, USCG, NRC, ~, O, NSA/CSS, CDC,
DOE, SAAM, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC,
 

Covert Mission

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Not sure if I understand how this works completely, but what if everyone here sent themselves and e-mail 10 times every day, with this entire list (and nothing else) as the body copy of the message. What if a million people did it each and every day? Would it cause a meltdown? I'm for it. It sure would be nice if a turncoat NSA staffer would give us some hints here on how to rattle their cage.


[This message has been edited by Covert Mission (edited October 28, 1999).]
 

Christopher

New member
I'm wondering how many of these "keywords" I could incorporate into an e-mail about a day at the range. Get some others involved and send it to about 75 of my closest cyber-pals. Get it goin' like one of those pain in the ass chain letters. The heading:

"We will not attempt to deceive you. This IS a chain letter designed to wreak havoc on government eavesdropping equipment..."

Might be fun.

(Yeah!!! My USP made the list!!! :) :) :) )

[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited October 28, 1999).]
 

Mal H

Staff
Hooey. Where does this stuff come from? There isn't enough computing power at Ft. Meade to accomplish this. Every single email, phone call, fax would be intercepted if it contained words like the or the letters c a b d. Gee, what are the odds? Come on.
 

Art Eatman

Staff in Memoriam
I'm just surprised that such evil words and phrases as "Patriotism", "Honor", "Integrity", "Personal Responsibility", "Honesty", "Ten Commandments", etc., did not make the list...
 

beemerb

Moderator
I was watching the news on CNN and they had a short story about this.Said that NSA was swamped so there was some effect.How much who knows but if it hit national news I think more then just a little.
Bob
 

George Hill

Staff Alumnus
This had no big effect - at worst there was maybe a few people that got a bit of overtime.

I have a couple old family friends that work there for the NSA. Many LDS folks there do to multi-language skills. (Yeah, yeah, no jokes about "why didnt you get any?") I will try to find out if this played off as entended.



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oberkommando

New member
NSA has too many auto filters to have been hurt by this much better to send 5 leter block code with one time encypher key. Impossible to break. Just a pain in the ass if your key was a line in War and Peace and you forgot which line it was.
 

sbryce

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sbryce's wife here. Would it be a good idea to investigate using some form of e-mail privacy software? Someone I know in the military mentioned Pretty Good Privacy. He also said not to write anything in an e-mail you wouldn't write on the back of a postcard; it's visible for all to see.
 

Futo Inu

New member
Well, if a list like that one (with sequential trigger words and nothing else) is recognized as bait by the NSA computers, then it seems that it's just a matter of time before a libertarian whiz kid creates a program that will create whole hosts of word sets with the offending words appropriately dispersed such that it will not be recognized as bait and will set off the computers. THEN, we of course need to stage "Act Two" of this lovable little project and really get the word out! :)
 

ctdonath

New member
I know, I know. Hard to believe that such a list could be real?

Then the author proceeds to NOT answer the question. There is NO sane reason why the NSA would leak (i.e. PUBLISH) such a list. The idea is preposterous.

Look at some of the entries: tools, bugs bunny, fake, secure, dictionary, quarter, law, rain, tie-fighter (a Star Wars ship), forcast, tiger, rain, redheads, zen, fax, and a whole lot more. Looks like someone spent an hour making up a list, and tossing in a few absurdities to see if anyone would notice.

Does the NSA monitor email? Yes: any overseas data (and a lot of 'net traffic goes overseas at least temporarily) may be monitored. No surprise there.

Conspiracy theory postings like that just give conspiracy theories an ever-worse name.
 
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CHEMNCO917

Guest
http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/hermetic/crypto/echelon/echelon.htm http://capo.org/opeds/pp0615.htm http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/echelon.htm http://www.hr/mprofaca/echelon01.html http://www.dis.org/erehwon/echelon.html http://jya.com/echelon.htm

only if you like a little light reading...

now..... having not always been just a CHEMNCO....
the issue is not so much that ECHELON does or does not exist (which it does) and that it is or is not a conspiracy (which it probably is not) but that its intended use has now become perverted....
that is.... the program was designed to monitor overseas/foreign traffic.....
it now is used internally in the US.... this is a direct violation of the law...
in effect.... the assets of the military system may not be used to monitor the citizens of the US without a warrant issued by a court (local or otherwise)….
using the system on US citizens abroad is ok… but not within the US (including Alaska & Hawaii)
if the system is working this way (or being used this way) … then it may, indeed, just be a flaw in the programming…..or in the ethics of the people using the system

having experience in the AUTODIN I & AUTODIN II systems (and some others which shall remain anonymous)… this same flaw was discovered back in the mid ‘70’s and the orders were to drop the link and forget the contact…. Only if the US citizen was outside the US and was talking about such protected stuff or using the system for personal use was a report made…. If the report was made on a foreign contact, it went to the NSA directly… if within the US, to the FBI directly (via the state department)…..
this type of “trigger List” has been in use on many systems over the years…. So I see nothing unusual about this particular trigger list.

by the way…

01. the “list” was discovered by a bunch of PC NERDS when they started looking at the e-mail tags that were returned on their traffic … not just “released” by the NSA….. your properties on your e-mail shows some of this info and unless you set your settings to “anonymous” & “ do not append original message” you can look at were your e-mail was sent (routed)… it also may depend upon the type of e-mail system you are using….. some are better then others….. think about the possible misuse of the system and what it may mean for awhile and forget about a conspiracy…….

02. a “BUGS bunny” is a device that sits attached to a switchboard and records switchboard traffic to and from a specifically chosen NNX (network line exchange). The original type was a physical switch traffic monitor…. Now-a-days it is an electronic one…. Still in use by several divisions of our military…..

so when you see one of these keywords that seems to make no sense…. Rest assured that it does to someone or it would not be in the list….


Further discussion?????
 
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CHEMNCO917

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I thought that this was a discusion board............I guess not.....
 
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