I need info from someone who knows about a garand thats beencut down to appx an 18"barrel with a muzzle break in 308 and on the opposite side of the receiver from the charging handle has the words "tanker" sorta laser etched.........any information appreciated-----itwas a bit rough for me but I liked the feel of it and it was a bit high as well about $750....anyway anybody?..fubsy.
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tanker garand fm ------ ord ??
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A note on "Tankers"....Not one single solitary "Tanker" went beyond the prototype stage with the US Govt..Ever! Current "Tankers" are a name for the short version of M1 developed by todays Springfield Armory. If, by some wild chance, the mfg of your rifle is FedOrd, DO NOT FIRE IT!! FedOrd went under due to lawsuits against them and their "BOLT IN YOUR FACE" receivers!...Otherwise, Your rifle is one converted into whatever you want it to be. If it's a shooter and you're happy......who cares who named it?
pierre,
Thank you for the reply....I dont own this rife I just saw one and was giving the info so that people could inform me of the manufactuer etc.......I did remember hearing that the govt had experimenterd with said prototype but didnt know if they had been issued.....and I knew this was not a govt issue rifle,,,,I needed info on what it was exactly....tks for the insight on the fed ord stuff.....im in the process making my own garand in 308 with a forward mounted scope......Im waiting to get a receiver now......tks fubsy.
Thank you for the reply....I dont own this rife I just saw one and was giving the info so that people could inform me of the manufactuer etc.......I did remember hearing that the govt had experimenterd with said prototype but didnt know if they had been issued.....and I knew this was not a govt issue rifle,,,,I needed info on what it was exactly....tks for the insight on the fed ord stuff.....im in the process making my own garand in 308 with a forward mounted scope......Im waiting to get a receiver now......tks fubsy.
Harley Nolden
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The rifle Pierre refers to is the U.S. Rifle, Cal .30 M1E5. This was a shortened version of the M1 rifle, with a folding stock and with the barrel shortened to 457mm (18"); The accuracy was unimpared but the flash and muzzle blast were escessive.
I noticed that the description, from Military Small Arms, 20th Century, states it came with a folding stock. Having been a tanker way back when the Army had the M48 tank, the rifle we had was a U.S. Cal .30 Carbine, and as long as I was in the service and even as a Weapons Specialist, I never saw a Tankers Model M1.
I have recearched the Tanker Model, however, find no trace of issue to the field. I sometimes wonder when these rifles were mfg'd commercially because my dad, rest his soul, had one he purchased back in the 1960's.
HJN
I noticed that the description, from Military Small Arms, 20th Century, states it came with a folding stock. Having been a tanker way back when the Army had the M48 tank, the rifle we had was a U.S. Cal .30 Carbine, and as long as I was in the service and even as a Weapons Specialist, I never saw a Tankers Model M1.
I have recearched the Tanker Model, however, find no trace of issue to the field. I sometimes wonder when these rifles were mfg'd commercially because my dad, rest his soul, had one he purchased back in the 1960's.
HJN
H. Nolden,
thank you for the info, was there any problems with the one your father had? The one Im planning on is simply a 18" barrel in 308 caliber with scope mounts tapped into the barrel for a forward eye relief scope.....I recently tried a steyr scout rifle and must admit while it was butt ugly, it was a well thought out concept....and with my aging eyes I need the help of a scope to do justice to a hi-power round....tks fubsy.
thank you for the info, was there any problems with the one your father had? The one Im planning on is simply a 18" barrel in 308 caliber with scope mounts tapped into the barrel for a forward eye relief scope.....I recently tried a steyr scout rifle and must admit while it was butt ugly, it was a well thought out concept....and with my aging eyes I need the help of a scope to do justice to a hi-power round....tks fubsy.
Harley Nolden
Staff In Memoriam
fusby:
No: It still functions great, and keep in mind the caliber is 30-06 not the .308 that you mention. Although I use a bolt action .308 for long distance, it is a grand caliber, I like the versitility of the -06.
Did you catch the "grand caliber?"
HJN
[This message has been edited by Harley Nolden (edited January 14, 2000).]
No: It still functions great, and keep in mind the caliber is 30-06 not the .308 that you mention. Although I use a bolt action .308 for long distance, it is a grand caliber, I like the versitility of the -06.
Did you catch the "grand caliber?"
HJN
[This message has been edited by Harley Nolden (edited January 14, 2000).]
H. Nolden,
hmmm....by grand caliber and its only a guess that your refering to the 1000yd matches?....the folks I know that use to shoot them things liked the 30-338 much better.....lol....but then again they liked crawling back up to the firing line...lol..fubsy. If I caught your reference correctly, that short little barrel will hinder the grand potential of the cartridge...fubsy.
hmmm....by grand caliber and its only a guess that your refering to the 1000yd matches?....the folks I know that use to shoot them things liked the 30-338 much better.....lol....but then again they liked crawling back up to the firing line...lol..fubsy. If I caught your reference correctly, that short little barrel will hinder the grand potential of the cartridge...fubsy.
When I was stationed at Aberdeen Proving Ground in 1964, the Ordnance Museum had on display three shortened Garands - later dubbed "Tanker Garands." I do not recall that any of those Garands had folding stocks, but after almost 40 years could be wrong about that. I do not know if they are currently on display since the Museum was relocated to a new (and less interesting) facility.
In the mid-1960's, a friend purchased de-milled M-1 receivers (cut across the receiver rails with a bandsaw). He made a welding jig, welded the receiver back together, and then make a quantity of "Tanker Garands" for sale. They were in the original .30-06 and worked fine. Since the receivers were re-Pakerized, the weld could not easily be detected. I never knew one to fail, but I wouldn't fire one now for any amount of money! Age does wonders for your common sense.....
In the mid-1960's, a friend purchased de-milled M-1 receivers (cut across the receiver rails with a bandsaw). He made a welding jig, welded the receiver back together, and then make a quantity of "Tanker Garands" for sale. They were in the original .30-06 and worked fine. Since the receivers were re-Pakerized, the weld could not easily be detected. I never knew one to fail, but I wouldn't fire one now for any amount of money! Age does wonders for your common sense.....
Harley Nolden
Staff In Memoriam
Fusby:
Your assumption is correct, however, no match shooting. One shot, one kill.
HJN
Your assumption is correct, however, no match shooting. One shot, one kill.
HJN
Hjn,
Ive an retired friend of some 20 years who did a lot early work in asia in the early 60's including field use of a scope that had manual ranging incorporated...I believe he said the early ones were made by redfield(?), but they allowed the user to put the cross hair on the waist and the shoulder and the impact was in the center of mass......I often wonder how accurate it really was at distance. The same fella to this day keeps one rifle in his house and a couple of cans of lc match ammo for that nm garand--its the one he told me he won at the nationals, Al said he wasnt the best but they always knew he was their....He also says that one hit to the chest with a .30 turns the chest cavity to mush............He had a stroke a while back and isnt quite up to his old self yet,,,but right before I left tennessee he called me up to ask me if i had a few extra garand clips as he couldnt believe he couldnt locate any at his place....needless to say he now has some....He also gave me a lot of his old manuals and contacts that use to build his rifles........a truly wonderful gift...fubsy.
Ive an retired friend of some 20 years who did a lot early work in asia in the early 60's including field use of a scope that had manual ranging incorporated...I believe he said the early ones were made by redfield(?), but they allowed the user to put the cross hair on the waist and the shoulder and the impact was in the center of mass......I often wonder how accurate it really was at distance. The same fella to this day keeps one rifle in his house and a couple of cans of lc match ammo for that nm garand--its the one he told me he won at the nationals, Al said he wasnt the best but they always knew he was their....He also says that one hit to the chest with a .30 turns the chest cavity to mush............He had a stroke a while back and isnt quite up to his old self yet,,,but right before I left tennessee he called me up to ask me if i had a few extra garand clips as he couldnt believe he couldnt locate any at his place....needless to say he now has some....He also gave me a lot of his old manuals and contacts that use to build his rifles........a truly wonderful gift...fubsy.