Swedish M38 Action strenght?

Demaiter

New member
Just purchased a swedish m38. Its a 1941 Husqvarna. Not to sure what all the numbers mean but the serial numbers all match.

I'm more than happy with mild loads but I've read that Mauser actions are some of the strongest so I'm wondering how well these older guns, specifically the M38 hold up to the hotter rounds.

Let me know, Thanks!
 

Jim Watson

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M38 is a version of the M96/M94 and is not considered as strong or as good in gas handling as the various M98 Mausers. The high quality of Swedish steel and craftsmanship can make up a bit. I had a Carl Gustav target rifle in .308 that was fine and Kimber rebarrelled and restocked a number of Swedes to .22-250, .243, and .308.

If you plan to leave it in 6.5x55, that round does not have to be loaded hot to give good performance.
 

Buzzcook

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Hodgdon has max loads for the 6.5x55 at ~45,000 cup.

They have the .308 win with max loads of ~60,000 cup.

I'm guessing the Swede will take hot loads. The only question is how many times you want to reload that brass.
 

Wildalaska

Moderator
Your Swede was tested with what they call the "blue pill"...proof load at, IIRC, 75,000 PSI.

If your rifle is all military, it will best perform with a 139 Scenar or 140SMK in Lapua or Norma Brass with 44 grains of RL22, or an equivalent load giving you 2600 fps out of a 26 inch barrel. Keep that last factor in mind.


WildthatsthestandardmilitaryloadandswedesshootbestwithmoderatevelocityAlaska ™©2002-10


PS Hotrodding an original Swede Mauser, or indeed any milsurp is like putting Rosie ODonnel in a bikini
 

Scorch

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. . . is like putting Rosie ODonnel in a bikini
Great, thanks, Ken. Now I have to deal with that little treasure of imagery as well! :eek:

I agree, the 96 Mauser is not as strong as a 98 Mauser, and although I would not barrel it in 308, it will take moderate pressures for a long, long time. 2,600 fps with a 140 gr is no slouch.
 

Slamfire

New member
Strength is kind of a relative thing. What do you mean by strength?

I consider an action strong in terms of how well it supports the case. The brass case is the weakest link in an action made of modern materials.

That in itself can be kind of a kicker: modern materials. All the time you read in this forum owners of pre WW1 rifles, M1891 Argentines making claims about how wonderfully strong their rifles are. They are basing this on shill gunwriter articles and appearances. These old rifles have wonderful precise machining. But precise machining does not mean the metal is worth a flip. Metallurgy was a developing science the first decades of the twenty century. They did not even have a definition or an understanding of cold temperatures and shock at the time of the Titanic sinking. Iron and steels were produced in period bloomeries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomery, foundries, under process control conditions that by today’s standards, are shockingly primitive. Period metals are highly variable and data about period metals always show impurities and slag.

The steels used in these older military rifles were just plain carbon steels. The yield strength on this stuff is almost half of modern alloy steels. Today, unheated, the same steels are used in applications like rebar. No one today would make such a safety critical part, as a rifle receiver, from rebar. When one of these old plain carbon receivers blow, they frag. Plain carbon steel does not have the ductility of an alloy steel.

All Swedish rifle receivers are made from plain carbon steels. The Swedes were proud that they never changed their rifle receivers from plain carbon steels to alloy steels. This might be a cultural issue, the Vikings were extremely conservative by nature. Swedish iron , by geographic accident, had amazingly low amounts of phosphorous, and if the steel making process was well controlled, plain carbon steel made from Swedish iron was as good as you could get back then.

The high quality of Swedish steel and craftsmanship can make up a bit.

As you can see from this quote, the cultural memory of "Swedish steel" being a quality attribute is still within the community. Modern measurement , chemistry, and smelting processes make country or mine origin irrelvant in terms of iron quality and yet these echoes from a century past are still being passed around.

The best news is that your rifle was built in 1941. Metallurgy was a mature science by then. Process controls and the science of metallurgy advanced from 1920 to 1940 as rapidly as the semiconductor revolution did from 1980 to 2000. So your receiver is quite probably the best made M96 receivers ever made. And that is good.

The M96 is as “fully” as strong as any Mauser receiver made. Gunwriters have been poo pawing the things for decades, without understanding why SAAMI loading are lower for the things, but then they are at best, French majors. But eyeballing the locking lug size, receiver seat thicknesses, these things are sized the same as the M98 actions. (Honestly, I have only eyeballed them, I suspect the difference in thickness between a M96 and a M98 lug is thousandth’s of an inch) Structurally it should take the same amount of force to shear a carbon steel M96 lug as a carbon steel M98 lug.

But what the M98 has that the M96 does not have is a better and safer design. The M98 is the best overall action ever designed. It is the best balance of safety, strength, reliability, maintainability of any bolt action ever made.

If a case head fails, the M98 offers better shooter protection through shrouding, gas ventilation. Not to throw too many rocks at the M96 because many modern actions offer the shooter the same low protection levels as a M96. (Something never mentioned by shill gunwriters) The M70 comes to mind. The gas venting in a M70 is awful, gases come right down the firing pin shaft into your eye. However M70 seldom blow because they are built from 4140 steel.

I would load your rifle without worrying about a structural failure of the action. I would be cautious to always use best quality brass, would advise not to hot load the thing, just stay within Swedish military ammo pressures and velocities, and I would always wear eyeprotection, just in case you have a gas leak.

I don’t know the story, but the picture tells a lot.


M96Mauserblownup.jpg


Here is some of my data, for reference in developing your loads. I think a 140 Hornaday with 43 grains of 4350 is equivalent (a little to the high side) of the Swedish service round.

Code:
[SIZE="3"]M1896 Infantry Rifle 29' barrel Carl Gustafs  mfgr 1903				
		 	
17-Aug-06 T = 85  °F							
143 gr FMJ 1986 Swedish Ball 					
		 					
Ave Vel =		2610	 		
Std Dev =		14.38			 		
ES =		45.59			 		
High =		2633		 	 		
Low =		2587		 	 		
N =		8		



M38 Infantry Carbine 24" barrel	
28-Oct-94 T ≈ 60 °F							
							
143 gr 1986 Swedish Ball OAL 3.065"  47.4 grs powder average					
		 					
Ave Vel =	2427					 	
Std Dev =	22					 	
ES =	62					 	
Low =	2395					  	
High =	2457					 	
N =	10						
							


M700  22" Barrel 	
				
143  gr Swedish Ball 1986 headstamp	
				
2 Feb 2008 T = 54 °F			
				
Ave Vel =	2470			
Std Dev =	18			
ES =	48			
High =	2491			
Low =	2443			
N =	5			
					
140 gr Hornday Spire Point 43.0 grs AA4350		
	R-P new brass CCI-200 OAL 2.990"		
					
2 Feb 2008 T = 52 °F				
					
Ave Vel =	2512			 	 
Std Dev =	27			 	 
ES =	72			 	 
High =	2547			 	 
Low =	2475			 	 
N =	5[/SIZE]

Reduced140Hornady43AA4350t2.jpg


Rem70065SwedeFullLength9.jpg
 
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