SP vs SPM vs SR primers tested in 9 mm

cdoc42

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Fantastic,hounddawg! Just in time, too. I have .380 Auto cases in the cleaner and I'm planning to use what's left of Small Pistol Primers for them. I've got a bunch of .38 Specials where I've already fired Small Pistol Magnum primers without an issue.

My question was going to be can I use Small Rifle Primers in the 9mm- and this video answered that. All that remains to be seen is if my Walther PPQ is a light striker!

Thanks again!
 

Jim Watson

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I had no difference in velocity with 6 out of 7 primers of different brand and type.
Strangely, Remington 1 1/2 small pistol was a little faster than even rifle or magnum pistol.
 
Thanks for posting the video, HD.

In pistol cartridges with small powder spaces, the test is complicated because primers will sometimes start unseating the bullet before the powder burn gets underway, thus increasing the burning space and lowering pressure. The 1½ in Jim's test may have failed to do that where the others did not, thus raising peak pressure a little. I wondered if the first pressure reading in the video might be explained by a failure to unseat the bullet as the others did, but it might also have been a clean barrel with no graphite from the powder coating to help lube the bullet on its way into the throat.

I was looking at testing current production CCI primers last fall but couldn't get to any before the store shelves emptied. The specific issue I am interested in is CCI #550 vs. the #400. CCI told me some years ago that they were the same primer in different packaging, but a more recent call got me the statement that interchanging them was "playing with dynamite." In the first instance, the lady on the phone actually looked up the cup and anvil part numbers, the priming mix, and its quantity while I was on the line with her to confirm they matched. She also told me their own employees buy the less expensive #400 for both purposes.

In the second, more recent instance, though the primers could have changed since my original inquiry, no such care to check the assembly was taken. The "dynamite" statement had something of the ring of a company liability policy to it. That is why I wanted to run a test myself using 38 Special cases with flash holes opened to ⅛" and some wax bullets to shoot over a chronograph to assess the primer mix strength without powder. I also wanted to weigh the fired cups and anvils on my analytical balance to see if they were significantly different. My reasoning is that if bullet unseating is involved in pressure readings, it might happen with slower powders and not with really fast ones, which could change the outcome using loaded rounds.

The video clearly shows no dynamite is involved. The samples are too small to say absolutely no difference exists, but if it does, it is obviously fairly minor with the powder used, and maybe it will turn out to be so with all of them. It's nice to see a bit of confirmation favoring the old inquiry I made.
 

cdoc42

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I can understand the marketing difference with rifle primers if it is a response to rifle manufacturing policies that require a thicker anvil cup.

But I now begin to wonder if, as in many instances (pharmaceutical products come to mind), science is replaced by marketing when it is perceived the market benefit is greater to have the same primer labeled for two different uses, e.g., SPP and SPP Mag.

I can retract that if history revealed Mag primers followed the need for the new slower-burning powders that came about, but if manufacturer studies eventually showed no difference, marketing took over while asking why kick a gift-horse in the mouth?
 

Shadow9mm

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Very helpful, than you. I will have to start doing this soon due to the primer shortage. Very helpful to know there is no difference, for all practical purposes, other than cup thickness. I just tested today and my Ruger LC9s and 5th gen G19 fired small fired primers fine.
 
Keep in mind this is only with CCI primers. As Allan Jones points out in this article, there are different primer mix philosophies used by different makers, so if you are using any primers other than those in the test, you want to knock your powder down a little and confirm with a chronograph before proceeding. I don't expect you'll find a difference of much over 10% in pressure or so, based on past tests, but there can be some.
 
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