Using an RCBS .308 small base sizer on some once-shot LC brass, I came across an interesting behavior. Sizing the properly lubed brass once gave me anywhere from .001" to .007" runout as measured by the RCBS Casemaster 1/8" from the mouth of each case. (measurement is post sized brass only no bullets involved sized on both a Summit and a Rock Chucker II.)
That was surprising me so then I rotated the brass a third and sized again. Measured Runout was reduced in every case, excepting those that measured .001 the first time, stayed there. I rotated the brass again another third and resized a third time. Runout on most cases now wavered between .001 and .002?????????
You'd think that if a sizer/press combo was going to create runout it would continue to create runout no matter how many times through the sizer. Then I realized that the run-out may have been caused by uneven spring-back of the brass and perhaps multiple sizing reduces the spring-back. (if that's the case rotating the brass was needless.) BTW, yes the LC brass had somerunout before sizing but it ran .001 to .004.
Am I nuts, or is this something you pros have run in to as well?
Let me preface the above by explaining what I'm up to. I have a new RCBS Summit Press, and my venerable Rock Chucker II, and I'm attempting to compare the two presses with the following (I think) worthy test:
I offered up first problem in the thread "Hornady Concentricity Gauge", and was answered by Bart B. & Uncle Nick. Here's their replies:
Well it became obvious I needed to do my own thread on this and stop the highjack. So here it is:
That was surprising me so then I rotated the brass a third and sized again. Measured Runout was reduced in every case, excepting those that measured .001 the first time, stayed there. I rotated the brass again another third and resized a third time. Runout on most cases now wavered between .001 and .002?????????
You'd think that if a sizer/press combo was going to create runout it would continue to create runout no matter how many times through the sizer. Then I realized that the run-out may have been caused by uneven spring-back of the brass and perhaps multiple sizing reduces the spring-back. (if that's the case rotating the brass was needless.) BTW, yes the LC brass had somerunout before sizing but it ran .001 to .004.
Am I nuts, or is this something you pros have run in to as well?
Let me preface the above by explaining what I'm up to. I have a new RCBS Summit Press, and my venerable Rock Chucker II, and I'm attempting to compare the two presses with the following (I think) worthy test:
1. Size LC 7.62 brass recently tumbled (blinged) using a Thumlers & S.S. media on both presses using the same RCBS Small Base Sizer. Expecting blinged brass to be hard to size, I want to compare effort in sizing as well, while doing my best to not stretch and/or warp the necks with the expander ball.
2. Measure each with an RCBS Casemaster for runout. (once I find the best way to lube and size).
3. After careful case prep, I plan to prime & charge the cases and then seat them with a new RCBS Gold Medal Seater. (whoa....a third test!) Always wanted to know if the G.M.S could do as good a job as Redding's or Forster's, because if so, dropping bullets in from the top is way faster than placing bullets and leading them into the die as you stroke.....would prevent accidental smashed fingers too if you get a little too speedy.
4. Finally will remeasure finished rounds for runout. Will take the best 10 from each press and shoot them in my Remington R25.....known to shoot subMOA @100 Meters even with 165g Factory Remington Corelokts, but I want to see what Nosler 165g Ballistic-Tip bullets over IMR4895 will do. (CCI LR primers)
I offered up first problem in the thread "Hornady Concentricity Gauge", and was answered by Bart B. & Uncle Nick. Here's their replies:
From Bart B.: If your sizing die's a bit on the bit size in neck diameter, your sized case necks may not bend much as the expander ball comes up through them after they're sized down. That happens.
If you get .002" runout on necks, bullet runout may be .004" to .005", so lets see what bullet runout is on loaded rounds.
From Uncle Nick: GWS, the case pressed into the die should be as straight as the die. We've already noted that reducing drag of the expander reduces it's tendency to pull the neck off axis, so I'm wondering if the repeated sizing isn't mainly burnishing inside the neck and reducing expander friction that way. That would suggest getting the case necks really clean and well-lubed inside might have the same result. Multiple sizing has the problem that it adds work hardening and increases the frequency with which you'll need to anneal to avoid splits, so it would be worth establishing what's going on. Let us know how not-rotating does for you?
Well it became obvious I needed to do my own thread on this and stop the highjack. So here it is:
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