A few months ago in one of the posts had a considerable amount of discussion regarding installing pistol grips on shotgun for home defense. As I recall there were several people adamant about the virtues of a pistol grip on short barrel shotguns. This video proves an interesting, albeit painful point about the fine points of shotguns with pistol grips. http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=191649&page=2
Shotguns with Pistol Grips (Video)
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You know, we will STILL have those thar swear by them as being the perfect gun for HD. I just got to laugh at the expurt Mall Ninjas we get in here. Never fired a shot in anger or defense, yet know all there is to know. To the point of saying those that have actual experience don't know what they are talking about. I just love it.
colostomyclown
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It proves he was holding it wrong. It doesn't prove anything else...although pgo guns are definitely less effective in 9/10 circumstances as opposed to a full stock. They have their merits, even if it's just a novelty. But it definitely isn't anything to rely 100 pct on. I keep a pgo wingmaster for hd because of the size of my house. Almost any scenario I have will be contact shooting so it really doesn't matter. Plus I live alone. Bigger house and more people I'd opt for the full stock any day of the week. I ALSO own full stock guns and prefer them for the most part.
I didn't watch the video, but I'm guessing it's the video that has the idiot getting hit in the teeth trying to aim the pistol grip shotgun.
A pistol grip shotgun is just like any other gun. You NEED practice to be able to use it effectively either on the range or in an HD situation. Pistol grips are far more easy to manipulate, but of course they can't be shouldered. I can easily shot a pistol grip 12 gauge from the hip and hit ANYTHING I'm pointing it at. Remember, you DON'T aim a shotgun like you would a rifle or handgun, you point it. Unless of course you're shooting slugs.
A pistol grip shotgun is just like any other gun. You NEED practice to be able to use it effectively either on the range or in an HD situation. Pistol grips are far more easy to manipulate, but of course they can't be shouldered. I can easily shot a pistol grip 12 gauge from the hip and hit ANYTHING I'm pointing it at. Remember, you DON'T aim a shotgun like you would a rifle or handgun, you point it. Unless of course you're shooting slugs.
To c-Clown and maser, First don't take this as an absolute assault on your opinion... I once had only a PGO on my 20 gauge 500 Mossberg. But I assure ya'll that I found absolutely no benefit to the reduced length short of a truck sleeper or a yacht with super narrow hallways. I invite anyone to my home to train with me. Typical 3-2 split plan ranch home. Show me a benefit anywhere other than the attic on my property with a pgo and you get your choice of my guns as a prize... I won't require you put up your pgo gun but rest assured I am sure of these guns as defensive weapons and the standard stock equipped gun has full mobility yet defensive tactics lean in my favor as I have a double ended club, I can hip shoot as well as a PGO but can shoulder mine and do forward recon from a rock solid mounted position... I can then fire or forward assault with the gun as a club. I also have a highly reduced risk of my gun being jerked from my grip... Trust me on this if you haven't trained this in... you need to... Let me get that muzzle... I ain't a big man but it don't take much for me to "OWN" your weapon... I am not highly trained, just real determined...
Brent
Brent
A couple cogent points.
First, the video reveals nothing about the usefulness of PGO shotguns.
Bad technique is bad technique.
However, back in the days when I HAD to qualify with a folder 870 shot from the hip, it took work to make it to the 80% minimum needed to keep my instructor's certification.
At the same time, qualifying with a standard stocked 870, same COF, time and ammo was a cakewalk with typical scores running 95-100%.
IOW, kiddies, a very proficient shotgunner became 15-20% less effective using a PGO. And that's under way less stress than in a life and death crisis.
Since there's no real advantage to a PGO shotgun, why are you so adamant about using an inferior tool when the stakes do not get any higher?
Could it be you PGO fans base your choices not on real world experience and training but on movieland fantasies and macho chestbeating?
Sorry, guys, but until you folks come up with some evidence of real world experience and high round counts, I'll be treating you like I do any other gang of BS carvers and poseurs.
And that's not very good at all.....
First, the video reveals nothing about the usefulness of PGO shotguns.
Bad technique is bad technique.
However, back in the days when I HAD to qualify with a folder 870 shot from the hip, it took work to make it to the 80% minimum needed to keep my instructor's certification.
At the same time, qualifying with a standard stocked 870, same COF, time and ammo was a cakewalk with typical scores running 95-100%.
IOW, kiddies, a very proficient shotgunner became 15-20% less effective using a PGO. And that's under way less stress than in a life and death crisis.
Since there's no real advantage to a PGO shotgun, why are you so adamant about using an inferior tool when the stakes do not get any higher?
Could it be you PGO fans base your choices not on real world experience and training but on movieland fantasies and macho chestbeating?
Sorry, guys, but until you folks come up with some evidence of real world experience and high round counts, I'll be treating you like I do any other gang of BS carvers and poseurs.
And that's not very good at all.....
Housezealot
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I can't imagine anyone having actually fired a PGO shotgun would think it was of any real advantage, I was amazed the first time I fired PGO that it would be anyones choice unless they were trying to conceal it on their person (and that seems like you would be up to a shaddy deed). I have a mossberg 500 with an M4 style stock and that seems to be pefectly manuverable for me.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
I have about a dozen shotguns at this moment in time. None of them are pgo. However, I have used pgo shotguns extensively since I have the luxury of my own range and hunting opportunities at the family ranch. I have literally hundreds of rounds through them at both targets and game (varmints). I can easily hit center mass on silhouette targets virtually every shot at 10 yards. Is a pgo shotgun as controlable or versatile as a full-stocked gun? Of course not! Has anyone said they are? Didn't think so, and neither have I (re-read the 1st two sentences above.) Can pgo shotguns be used effectively at typical HD/SD ranges? Of course they can! This is a ridiculous argument and I guess I'm as guilty of indulging in it as anyone. As the man said, if you don't like them, or don't have a use for them, don't use them. That should be understandable to even the most anti-pgo poster. But to imply that no one could possibly be proficient with one, or that there aren't people who know exactly what they are, drawbacks and all, and still know how to use them effectively, is monumentally ignorant. BTW, my brother shot and killed a 200 lb. hog with a pgo shotun, 000 Buck, maybe a month ago, at about 40 ft. Why? It's what he had in the truck as he was out looking for a sick calf, and hogs are vermin down here in S. Texas.
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Amd, what the regulars on tfl's shotgun section tire of is that folks actually opine the "merits" of the PGO and hint around or blatantly claim them to be superior to a regular stock set up. Kind of like claiming a garden tractor is superior to real farm tractor for plowin' the back forty.
Sure there are times where a pgo is a hoot to shoot... strictly just for fun, out in the back yard just blastin off from the hip... sure.
Brent
Sure there are times where a pgo is a hoot to shoot... strictly just for fun, out in the back yard just blastin off from the hip... sure.
Brent
Jonathan12
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My PGO HD shotgun "Mjöllnir" has a laser sight on it...which to me sort of counters the inability to aim down the barrel (I put it on purely for function, as it doesn't look good at all. No 'mall ninja' stuff here).
I also have a full speedfeed stock I can put on it if I'm so inclined. That makes it too long to easily handle in my house though.
-Jonathan
I also have a full speedfeed stock I can put on it if I'm so inclined. That makes it too long to easily handle in my house though.
-Jonathan
Never once said useless... Highly limited and in a very diminished capacity though
I too have a pgo (not currently in use) grip. I like the fact that the shoulder luggage strap allows me to comfortably tote my shot gun in the woods when I have a large full backpack and a hard pullin' bulldog on a leash. And it could be brought up quickly on a bunny for a scooby snack...
Brent
Naterstein
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Probably the only PGO I would consider.
