Pretty innovative by Winchester.
https://youtu.be/_Y01YMVJrJI
https://youtu.be/_Y01YMVJrJI
Selective Fire magazine fed M-1 Garand
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dogtown tom
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As usual, T OHeir …...oh never mind.
Jim Watson
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Springfield and Remington developed box magazine full auto Garands, too, T20 and T22 series. The Winchester seems to have been an in house project, not type classified. (T21 was a tank.)
All in anticipation of the invasion of the Japanese home islands, along with the T26 "Tanker."
All in anticipation of the invasion of the Japanese home islands, along with the T26 "Tanker."
stuckinthe60s
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the idea was sold to beretta and they made the famous BM59 with it.
photo credit, history of Winchester, barnes, pg 124
photo credit, history of Winchester, barnes, pg 124
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Machineguntony
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The difference between an M-14 and an M1 from an NFA collectors perspective is about $30,000, assuming it's not a reweld. Speaking of rewelds, I have tried buying an uncut M-14 three times and failed all three times. They were all rewelds.
I've given up on buying an M-14.
For those not familiar with the situation, most existing transferable M-14s and M1s are rewelds. Here is an article on the issue.
https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/M1G-FAQs/Weld.htm
For those who don't want to read it, the last paragraph is the most relevant:
BEGIN QUOTE
'I have tried to tell dozens of "proud" owners that they have junk - the result usually is the same as calling the guy's wife names.
In two cases, the owners insisted on having receivers magnafluxed to prove me wrong; in both cases, I was right - they were rewelds.
There is one more point on the rewelds other than the ones you mention. If the receiver is shortened in the cut/weld process, the firing pin may be able to reach the primer before the bolt is locked, that is when it is not yet in the safety cutout in the receiver. The result could be nasty.
END QUOTE
It kind of upsets me when I see these guns in a museum. Assuming they're transferable guns, they'll never be shot and enjoyed. They're nothing more than paperweights and wall hangers. They'll never have a range day. They're in black hole, to never come out. Kind of sad.
I've given up on buying an M-14.
For those not familiar with the situation, most existing transferable M-14s and M1s are rewelds. Here is an article on the issue.
https://www.fulton-armory.com/faqs/M1G-FAQs/Weld.htm
For those who don't want to read it, the last paragraph is the most relevant:
BEGIN QUOTE
'I have tried to tell dozens of "proud" owners that they have junk - the result usually is the same as calling the guy's wife names.
In two cases, the owners insisted on having receivers magnafluxed to prove me wrong; in both cases, I was right - they were rewelds.
There is one more point on the rewelds other than the ones you mention. If the receiver is shortened in the cut/weld process, the firing pin may be able to reach the primer before the bolt is locked, that is when it is not yet in the safety cutout in the receiver. The result could be nasty.
END QUOTE
It kind of upsets me when I see these guns in a museum. Assuming they're transferable guns, they'll never be shot and enjoyed. They're nothing more than paperweights and wall hangers. They'll never have a range day. They're in black hole, to never come out. Kind of sad.
WilderBill
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I always thought the M1 should have been designed with a removable mag that could be common with the BAR to speed reloading and keep logistics simple.
Never could see much point to a FA M1.
Never could see much point to a FA M1.
Jim Watson
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Apparently it was not effective to just bung a BAR magazine into an M1 action. There was a lot of work done on magazines and magazine catches in the late WWII developments.
I don't know what Mr Garand used in his 1920s guns before they selected an enclosed en bloc clip system over a box magazine.
I don't know what Mr Garand used in his 1920s guns before they selected an enclosed en bloc clip system over a box magazine.
Jim Watson
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The very first Garands were .30.
Pedersen pushed his .276 to the point that there were Garands made for it and looked like a done deal, just choose an action.
But then Chief of Staff Douglas McArthur vetoed the new cartridge in favor of the .30 with all the guns and ammo and production base left over from WWI.
Pedersen pushed his .276 to the point that there were Garands made for it and looked like a done deal, just choose an action.
But then Chief of Staff Douglas McArthur vetoed the new cartridge in favor of the .30 with all the guns and ammo and production base left over from WWI.
Then there was the Italian BM 59. Box magazine fed Garands.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_BM_59
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_BM_59