SCAM Warning - Federal Primer Shop

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markr6754

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Did a search for Federal 150 LP Primers to get a feel for how well I did this weekend ($75/brick). My search returned a web retailer Federal Primer Shop.

The site makes a close approximation of the Federal Premium website, including their logo, but with the addition of Primer to it, rather than Premium.

Regardless, I fell for it, discovering every possibility of primers, including competing brands, at currently attractive prices. All seemed good, until I went to check out...I wasn't planning to buy, as I'm fully stocked, but I wanted to see full cost including shipping and HazMat.

Yep....PayPal, Zelle, Venmo, Bit Coin, etc being the only means of payment. About that time I started seeing the flash pop ups of the products being purchased.

Checking out the Federal Premium website I saw that they are still not doing web sales, and MSRP prices per sleeve remain well above what I paid...as expected.

Don't fall for it, guys...well, I know you wouldn't. But hoping that some newer members receive this warning ahead of a painful and costly mistake.
 
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No one who doesn't accept cash, or the standard credit/debit cards gets my business. No matter what they claim to have or how attractive their prices are.

It might not be a duck, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, flies and swims like a duck and looks like a duck, it just might be a duck....
 
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Sevens

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Okay, I understand your duck reference but you gave them the early exclusion “they may not be a duck but…”

So I’m asking — you or the world — has anyone EVER dealt with ANY online “business” in the past two years that advertised a product, only accepts Paypal, Zelle, Venmo or Bitcoin and wasn’t a complete scam?

I have yet to hear of one.

At this point, with zero contrary evidence or frankly even suggestion, if they ONLY accept the above and don’t accept credit card, check, cash, USPS MO, then I cannot imagine why anyone believes they could possibly be legit.

Am I missing a detail? Hit me with experiences.
 
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has anyone EVER dealt with ANY online “business” in the past two years that advertised a product, only accepts Paypal, Zelle, Venmo or Bitcoin and wasn’t a complete scam?
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I have not, but I don't deal with such businesses. Therefore, I have no actual proof, just a very strong suspicion, and lacking actual proof, I say "it might not be a duck"

if they ONLY accept the above and don’t accept credit card, check, cash, USPS MO, then I cannot imagine why anyone believes they could possibly be legit.
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Nor can I.
When I see a lot of smoke, I don't need to get burned to believe there is a fire in there somewhere...

To borrow a line from a recent movie I enjoyed,...

"Remember, it's only a scam if you fall for it!"

In the movie, the line was meant to be humorously ironic...but it also is some people's real life attitude, as well. People who believe and operate on that viewpoint have a name. Generally, we call them scammers....:rolleyes:
 
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Unclenick

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There's a Winchester Primers site, too. The owner is in Cameroon. The federalprimershop.com is a little different and is registered through Eranet in Hong Kong. Either way, they are in places that Winchester and Federal don't ship to and can't economically ship to the US. So they are just looking for suckers.
 
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Unclenick

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Federal, CCI, Speer, Remington, Hoppes, Outers, and lots of other shooting sports brand names. All Vista Outdoors companies, though Vista has split now into two sections or entities, with one being devoted entirely to ammunition and the other being everything else, as I understand it.

The various factories under Vista are not co-located. They are run as separate facilities and profit centers, presumably to retain their value in case the parent company should decide to sell them to someone else.
 
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Sevens

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And before Vista Outdoors, they were all Alliant Techsystems, the same huge company that slung Alliant powder, RCBS, Lake City, Savage, Weaver, Uncle Mike’s, Bushnell and many, many more.
 
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Unclenick

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Yeah, Alliant Techsystems (ATK) split into the part that merged with Orbital Sciences Corp to become Orbital ATK and the part that became Vista Outdoors. The former for rockets and other high-tech work, and the latter for all the sporting goods. I forgot to mention Alliant Powder, which is still part of it.
 
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ballardw

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jag2 said:
Go to their "about us" and read their shipping policy, it's really funny.
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This?
We do offer camouflage for our packages, for example we use games, TV or any other legal goods cartons to deliver our packages so that buyer receive package as though receiving a newly ordered Electronic Item.
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Appears that they may have been stealing HTML from a phony Viagra website.
 
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Unclenick

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I agree. For those who don't know why this matters, in order to be able to accept credit cards, you have to have good credit, and the bank will run a check for flags indicating a sketchy history. Chronic scammers are less likely to be able to pass that simple standard, so avoiding those without the ability to accept credit cards is playing the odds. Moreover, it's really easy for a business to get a PayPal business account and be able to put the PayPal Checkout Cart, which accepts either PayPal or credit cards, on their website. If someone can't even get past that standard, it's wise to question their validity as a business.
 
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reynolds357

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Unclenick said:
I agree. For those who don't know why this matters, in order to be able to accept credit cards, you have to have good credit, and the bank will run a check for flags indicating a sketchy history. Chronic scammers are less likely to be able to pass that simple standard, so avoiding those without the ability to accept credit cards is playing the odds. Moreover, it's really easy for a business to get a PayPal business account and be able to put the PayPal Checkout Cart, which accepts either PayPal or credit cards, on their website. If someone can't even get past that standard, it's wise to question their validity as a business.
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That And the fact that if I use My Amex Platinum and get scammed, a 2 minute phone call reverses the charges.
 
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