Remington 1930 s/n333345X
- Thread starter bigbird34
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Check the marking again, please. I think you will find it reads:
U.S./REMINGTON/MODEL 1903 (not 1930).
It is a Model 1903, commonly called a "Springfield" since it was developed and most were made at Springfield Armory. At the start of WWII, the Army contracted with Remington to make the M1903. Later, the rifle was modified for easier production and re-named the Model 1903A3. The Model 1903A3 was made by both Remington and Smith-Corona.
Jim
U.S./REMINGTON/MODEL 1903 (not 1930).
It is a Model 1903, commonly called a "Springfield" since it was developed and most were made at Springfield Armory. At the start of WWII, the Army contracted with Remington to make the M1903. Later, the rifle was modified for easier production and re-named the Model 1903A3. The Model 1903A3 was made by both Remington and Smith-Corona.
Jim
m.p.driver
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You sure it's not maybe a Remington model 30 ?
IMHO, that is a fake. I am not sure what it really is, but there is no such thing as a U.S. Model 1930, and the markings are entirely wrong for a Model 1903. I have no idea what the receiver really is or who could have done the marking. It does not appear to be pantographed, more like hand engraved, which would be impossible with a real M1903 without annealing the receiver ring.
I strongly suggest you not, repeat NOT, fire that rifle pending further investigation. It could be some kind of dummy "collectors" rifle or a cheap cast receiver with some real parts.
Jim
I strongly suggest you not, repeat NOT, fire that rifle pending further investigation. It could be some kind of dummy "collectors" rifle or a cheap cast receiver with some real parts.
Jim
tahunua001
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I agree with James, US model means that it was built for the US government and there is no bolt action service rifle designated M1930. I am not an expert on font but a 3million serial range would put it within A3/A4 production and would have been marked as such. I have no idea what you have but the markings are a complete hoax, probably done by a dyslexic C&R faker in india.
it's all moot anyway, that is obviously not a stock 1903, wrong wood tone, blued finish and drill and tap, whatever it is, it is probably not even worth $300.
it's all moot anyway, that is obviously not a stock 1903, wrong wood tone, blued finish and drill and tap, whatever it is, it is probably not even worth $300.
m.p.driver
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Might want to research Bannerman's rifles.He churned out a lot of rifles that were a hodgepodge of parts.I remember he took 1917's,turned the ears off,installed Mauser type rear sights ,and supposedly sold them to central and south American country's.I remember seeing such a rifle at a show, that was marked 1930 or 34 if i remember right.
There was a Remington Model 30 (not "1930") and there was a Remington Model 1934. Some 3000 of the latter were made on contract for Honduras, in 7x57 caliber. Both the Model 30 sporting rifle and the Model 1934 were built using leftover Model 1917 receivers and other parts from the huge WWI military contracts. In fact, Remington never made any center fire bolt action receivers or any .30 bolt action barrels from the end of WWI to the start of WWII. All the Model 30, Model 30S and Model 720 production used that vast store of leftover Enfield parts.
The picture is not of any of those well-known rifles. I hope Bigbird34 didn't pay much for that rifle.
Jim
The picture is not of any of those well-known rifles. I hope Bigbird34 didn't pay much for that rifle.
Jim
The thing that stuck out right away was that the "U.S." was not centered.
Oddly, that is the second "1903" with fake markings to have shown up on these sites. I don't know who is turning them out. We usually see that kind of thing on dummy guns made for collectors, mainly Japanese, who are not allowed to own real guns, but have the money to spend on reasonably accurate "non-guns."
From time to time, some of those are sold on the net as genuine or with descriptions worded in such a way that the buyer can be deceived.
Jim
Oddly, that is the second "1903" with fake markings to have shown up on these sites. I don't know who is turning them out. We usually see that kind of thing on dummy guns made for collectors, mainly Japanese, who are not allowed to own real guns, but have the money to spend on reasonably accurate "non-guns."
From time to time, some of those are sold on the net as genuine or with descriptions worded in such a way that the buyer can be deceived.
Jim
Jim Watson
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Possibilities that occur to me:
Total fake maybe Asiatic. They don't do too well with funny Roman letters.
Remark of low number Springfield to try to move a piece considered risky to use.
Total fake maybe Asiatic. They don't do too well with funny Roman letters.
Remark of low number Springfield to try to move a piece considered risky to use.
Rainbow Demon
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Could be a Dara made copy, I've seen Springfield 1903 copies hanging on the wall of a Dara gundealers shop in phot spreads about the Dara gun trade.
Besides military style copies they also produce custom sporting rifles on just about any type of action real or copied.
Besides military style copies they also produce custom sporting rifles on just about any type of action real or copied.
Did you get a chance to look at the markings on those Darra copies? I thought of that possibility, but the lettering on this gun, while not accurate, is a lot better than that I have seen on Darra guns, where the marking tends to be at least partly gibberish with upside down letters, etc.
Jim
Jim