I was on an official police site for South Africa and the "official" murder rate according to the police was about 32 per every 100,000 people,but the u.n.'s rate for R.S.A is about 65.I realize that the murder rate is certainly higher than what the police say,but does anybody here have any clue what it really is?According to Gun Control Alliance-South Africa they had over 24,000 murders in 1998.