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Marco Califo

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I ordered Quickload, received a confirmation email, card was charged Saturday. I have not received a shipping email with tracking. I know they ship priority mail. I am guessing it takes them a while to ship?
 
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Aguila Blanca

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emcin5 said:
I am baffled that it is almost 2020 and a software company is still shipping physical media.
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I am always infuriated when they don't. It was bad enough when software companies stopped providing user manuals (printed books). Expecting us to download the software and make our own archival copies is a bit much, IMHO.
 
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Marco Califo

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I prefer online manuals because paper books do not update well. Too much scissors and tape.
But I fear the USPS will jam the CD into my mail box not intended for media, rather than walk 50 feet to leave a parcel at my door. If they think they can bend or fold it, they will stuff it in with the bulk junk mail.
 
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Bart B.

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Physical media is the only way the company can guarantee digital data can get to the customer intact and error free.

Some customers may not have internet access.

Life's got lots of compromises. Make smart ones based on your objectives, conditions and standards.
 
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Unclenick

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NECO isn't a software company. They're a shooting sports accessory and gadget maker and seller which has the exclusive U.S. distribution license for QuickLOAD from its German author. Judging from their very basic website, I don't think they have the infrastructure or technical people to do anything more elaborate.
 
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Marco Califo

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Physical media is the only way the company can guarantee digital data can get to the customer intact and error free.
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While I do certainly prefer the physical media, many forms of software are download only, or the disk is just an installer, requiring an internet connection. Microsoft Office, especially the former Home Use Program was all download unless you paid for the Disk. I always did.
TurboTax is one where you may or may not get a disk. If you do, it installs an installer and needs a good internet connection to download the whole thing, and the constant updates.
But all those methods involve overhead, which in turn requires volume to spread out the overhead.
Has not arrived but I guess I got to wait the 9 or 10 days, while forgetting about it.
 
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Unclenick

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All the disks I got from NECO have a printed label with my serial numbers on them, so the disks are burned to order. I'm sure the volume doesn't support having an employee dedicated to that task, so that may account for the speed of order fulfillment.
 
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std7mag

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Even the updates are serial numbered.
They come in a white cardboard box, no fear of being folded in half.
I just wish they would finallly include Alliant's Power Pro series.
They've been out longer than the new IMR powders.
 
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Marco Califo

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The priority mail box arrived on day 6 after placing the order. I asked them to write "Media: please deliver to porch". They did hand write it on the box, and USPS delivered it to the porch, along with a soft parcel that arrived the same day.
True, the box would not have fit in my mailbox (without wrecking the shipping box).
 
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FrankenMauser

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I just wish they would finallly include Alliant's Power Pro series.
They've been out longer than the new IMR powders.
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They're still not in the database?
I was recently considering getting the update - one of the specific reasons being a bunch of Power Pro 4000MR sitting here, with no data available for the desired applications.
I really wish NECO would list the full powder database and a full list of database additions for each update. I know I'm not alone.

Definitely going to wait, now. :(

...And start the slow process of developing loads from scratch. I should probably buy some cheaper bullets. :rolleyes:
 
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Unclenick

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NECO can't list them because such a list doesn't exist for most U.S. powders. Hodgdon told me the cost of the lab work is prohibitive or kept proprietary by the actual manufacturer. The way QuickLOAD gets the data is the author, Hartmut Broemel, invested in his own lab and personally purchases powder samples and measures the deflagration of them in a vivacity bomb. The software then can approximate the other properties from the vivacity bomb results. It's slow work and costs money to do, which the software has to sell enough copies of to support. Herr Broemel also made the intentional decision to leave out powders whose sources change frequently, which would obsolete the data he's invested in collecting. None of the SR or #00X powders from IMR are in the database for that reason. Even then, one can get by him. The shift in Accurate Nitro 100, for example.
 
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FrankenMauser

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NECO can't list them because such a list doesn't exist for most U.S. powders.
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I don't mean he should publicize the database, just the list of powders represented by the database.

Statements like, "27 new powders, including CFE223 and Reloder 25" don't really help unless the powder you're hoping for is one of those specifically called out as an example.
 
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std7mag

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To the best of my knowledge per the latest update i got, no. They were not listed.

Perhaps Marco could shed light if they have now been updated.

I've been playing with PP4000, in 280 Rem and 284 Win, and 257 Roberts.
Note, this is now my go to powder in the 280 Rem with 150gr ABLR and Ballistic Tips.
PP2000 in the 250 Savage.
 
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higgite

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If you call NECO and ask Ed if the powder that you’re interested in has been added to the database, he will tell you. At least, he did when I asked about a specific powder a couple of years ago.
 
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