Does anyone have a copy of this? or know if or were it can be found. Is this act the basis for the statement that the government cant use federal troops against civilians? Ive heard that Delta force could not have been used with out the presidents permission, and this act was aluded to as being the basis for that.......Id like to read it for myself.......does anyone know were it is, the crimminal justice professor I asked about this, said it does not prohibit the use of federal troops...to conflicting opinions here, one most likely liberal and one conservative, so I need to know.....help me out here...fubsy.
posse comitatius act (sp)
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Here is the original (1878): http://terminal-frost.simplenet.com/document/posse.html
Amended (Jan, 1998): http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html
References to Modern organization of PC & brief background on concept:
http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/revolution/commerce/taxes/posse.html
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
Amended (Jan, 1998): http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1385.html
References to Modern organization of PC & brief background on concept:
http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/revolution/commerce/taxes/posse.html
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
Ruger,
“Supposed to”, no. Possible? Well, Article I says:
“Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power
To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide
for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all
Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...”
(stress added)
If our President, who represents our government, can argue over the definition of
“sex” (“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”) then the
term “general Welfare” can mean anything the government wants it to mean.
To rely upon the capricious morality of any government is dangerous business.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 12, 1999).]
“Supposed to”, no. Possible? Well, Article I says:
“Section. 8. The Congress shall have Power
To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide
for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all
Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;...”
(stress added)
If our President, who represents our government, can argue over the definition of
“sex” (“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”) then the
term “general Welfare” can mean anything the government wants it to mean.
To rely upon the capricious morality of any government is dangerous business.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 12, 1999).]
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Dennis-
Square that with this:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"When an instrument admits two constructions, the one safe, the other dangerous, the one precise, the other indefinite, I prefer that which is safe & precise. I had rather ask an enlargement of power from the nation, where it is found necessary, than to assume it by a construction which would make our powers boundless."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Cary Nicholas, Sep. 7, 1803.[/quote]
Rich
Square that with this:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"When an instrument admits two constructions, the one safe, the other dangerous, the one precise, the other indefinite, I prefer that which is safe & precise. I had rather ask an enlargement of power from the nation, where it is found necessary, than to assume it by a construction which would make our powers boundless."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Cary Nicholas, Sep. 7, 1803.[/quote]
Rich
DC,
Thanks a lot for that....Im getting ready to shut down the computer so ive copied the url and documents.......
ruger,
Ill have to get back at ya im going to be down for at least2 weeks I suppose......
Dennis,
Now dont get carried away while im gone...lol.., you and connieach share some shiner bock and go shooting..lol.... ...
...RKBA!....were gonna win this....fubsy.
Thanks a lot for that....Im getting ready to shut down the computer so ive copied the url and documents.......
ruger,
Ill have to get back at ya im going to be down for at least2 weeks I suppose......
Dennis,
Now dont get carried away while im gone...lol..
, you and connieach share some shiner bock and go shooting..lol.... ......RKBA!....were gonna win this....fubsy.
Rich,
Great quote! However, if Congress believed in that Jeffersonian concept, they would have to obliterate the vast majority of their legislative "accomplishments".
Me? I prefer Jefferson's concept (as I'm sure YOU do). But how in the devil can we return our federal government to strict Constitutional Law when the only candidates considered to be "viable" are parties to the crime?
Great quote! However, if Congress believed in that Jeffersonian concept, they would have to obliterate the vast majority of their legislative "accomplishments".
Me? I prefer Jefferson's concept (as I'm sure YOU do). But how in the devil can we return our federal government to strict Constitutional Law when the only candidates considered to be "viable" are parties to the crime?
David Wright
New member
This issue was discussed at Fort Hood a little over six years ago........
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Rhetorical question, Dennis. Perhaps people will wake up. Perhaps not.
Rich
Rich
Here is all of section 8. It's part way down the page, in italics and bold.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Steve
[This message has been edited by Ruger (edited September 12, 1999).]
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Steve
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RepublicThunderbolt
New member
"[O]fficials of government who commit criminal acts or who violate their oath of office ... shall be removed by the posse to the most populated intersection of streets in the township and, at high noon, be hung by the neck, the body remaining until sundown as an example to those who would subvert the law."
Hmm...I can think of several "officals" who fit this bill.
Hmm...I can think of several "officals" who fit this bill.