Need Help Identifying a Jungle Carbine.

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TX Hunter

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Hello, I just purchased a Beautifull Jungle Carbine, I was told though that it may not be authentic, I bought it for a shooter so was not worried about that.
I purchased it from Cabellas, and was told at the Gun Library that the headspace was checked on these. On the side it says No 5 Mk 1 it has a rubber kick pad on it, and looks like it had some kind of scope mount on it because it has one tapped hole on top of the reciever, and looks like it had some kind of clamp on the stripper clip guide.
Its in what I would call very good condition.
I will edit this post in a minute, and add some pictures.
I hope it dosent have the lightening cuts in the reciever, but am not familiar with the Einfield so I came to this forum for help.
Thanks in advance.
Forgot to mention Serial Number TE0062 Still trying to upload pictures.
It does have a Bayonet Lug, and the Rear Flip up appeture sight.
Its a beautifull piece that I cant put down, and has really good Rifeling in the barrel.
 
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madcratebuilder

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Without the receiver lightening cuts it's not a No5 LE. Look for cuts at the Knoxx form and around the rear of the receiver.

Drilled and tapped for a scope hurts value as I'm sure you know.

The so called "wandering zero" the No5 is reported to suffer from is greatly exaggerated. The Brit Army did not want to get stuck with a bolt gun as the standard while the rest of the world went select fire auto. They hand picked No5's to demonstrate this so called wandering zero and played it up big time.


ETA: That Serial Number "TE0062" does not sound correct. There's a Tennessee importer that brings in some faked up No5's that uses the TE prefix a lot. Upload some pic's
 
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TX Hunter

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Madcrate Builder,

I took a few pictures and uploaded them on Photobucket, but for some reason when I go to copy them my old computer bogs down, I may have to reboot. I will keep trying, the rifle is great shape.
The people at Cabellas were very helpfull, and assured me, that if this rifle does not work properly they will repair it.
I went through a pile of rifles but I couldnt put this one down.
I believe this one is a cut down long rifle, The Rubber kick pad is well fitted with a metal frame around the outter edges.
I have a feeling that this may end up being a favorite.
The Metal is in what I believe NRA would grade 90% and the wood looks new.
The whole rifle looks new, with minimal handeling wear, a few very slight dings in the stock you need good light to see, the wood has a nice reddish color and the metal has a black parkerized look about it, except for the magazine, it apears to be blued with some old shallow pitting. where the safety hinges it has a plumb color. I may have paid too much for it at $400 but I just had to have it.
 
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TX Hunter

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More information

The Rear sight is graduated to 800 Yards, and under the barrel near the muzzle it is marked TGi knox TN No5 303 British UK it also has a 1942 date under the No 5 MKI on the reciever.












 
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Mike Irwin

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"also has a 1942 date"

That's an issue, I think.

Jungle Carbine production didn't start until 1944, so as far as I know all true versions should have a 1944 to 1947 date on them.
 
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TX Hunter

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More Pictures












I believe this is a modified Long Rifle, and as I said, Im interested in using this as a shooter, I have a few more questions though, First is how to remove the bolt for cleaning, also where could I find a sling for it, and also What type of scope mount do you think was on here, and do you know where I might find one. Thanks so much, I love the advice that I get on this forum.:)






 
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PetahW

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It's been over 35 years since I've owned an Enfield JC, but IIRC, the bolt is opened partially, then the gas shield (looks like a locking lug) is rotated "up" to pass through the receiver bridge as the bolt is fully withdrawn.

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TX Hunter

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Thanks Petahw

I really like this carbine, I cant wait to shoot it.
Now I will know how to remove the bolt for cleaning.
 
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TX Hunter

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Mike

No Sir, They didnt sell it to me as authentic, If its a remake, I will have no guilt using it. The Fit and finish on the stock and everything else is very good, It looks like it will be fun to shoot, I dont expect top accuracy out of it, but I hope it has acceptable accuracy. "3 to "4 inch 100 yards.
 
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TX Hunter

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Found this Video

I found this video, and compared mine, Mine is definately a remake, and does not have the milled off portions under the handguard, that makes me happy as I figure it will be more accurate, and a little bit of epoxie, as if someone glass bedded the acton.
Should be a fine shooter, we would go shoot, but would feel a tad guilty on Easter Sunday, we got in late last night and missed church.

Anyhow, here is a very good video that I used to compare my rifle.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4cwDD3eUP4&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL02DF2C83E7C6C2F7
 
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James K

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It is a bit hard to be sure, but the second picture sure looks like a No. 5 receiver with the extra gap under the rear sight and the sloped cuts.

TX hunter, did you remove the handguard and check the rear of the barrel? There should be cuts a bit like the flutes on a revolver cylinder.

Jim
 
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TX Hunter

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Hey James

Yes I removed the handguard, it does not have the lightening cuts on the barrel, the reciever does look correct though.
I went out and shot the thing today, and discovered that it shoots extreemly left, I tapped the front sight over to the left until it was about to fall out and it still shot slightly to the left. Good thing is that it puts them all in the same place. Ran out of shells, gotta work on it when i get another box.
Drifted the sight all the way to the left with some JB Weld so it wont fall out under recoil.
Will try again next weekend.
I wish I could figure out what type of scope mount the previous owner had, Id scope it. I posted a question and a picture on the smithy forum but have not got a result though.
 
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madcratebuilder

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Jim said:
It is a bit hard to be sure, but the second picture sure looks like a No. 5 receiver with the extra gap under the rear sight and the sloped cuts.

TX hunter, did you remove the handguard and check the rear of the barrel? There should be cuts a bit like the flutes on a revolver cylinder.
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I agree on the receiver appearing to be cut at the right rear, sure looks like a No5 cut to me.

Looking at the left side of the receiver is that a new serial number to the right of the ejector screw?

Could be a parts rifle, a No5 receiver with a shortened No4 barrel. That may explain the "shoots left" issue.

Look at the flash hider, does it have casting lines on the top and bottom. A real No5 FH well not have casting lines.

The butt stock is a modified No4, hard to tell from pic but the metal looks repro. Is the rubber butt pad soft?

The 800yd backsight is correct.

1942 would be a No4, first No5's are 1944, Faz and BSA only.

It's a nice looking rifle, get her shooting straight and enjoy.
 
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TX Hunter

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Mad Crate Builder

I will have to look at the serial number again when i get it back, but the flash hider appears to be seamless i cant tell if it was cast. I know its very loud, even louder than my Ruger Frontier. I think the flash hider amplifies the sound.
 
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