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need advice on garand ammo
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Dfariswheel
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For new ammo, I'd suggest the "military" bulk pack type ammo sold by Remington UMC, Winchester or Federal.
Stick with 150 grain ammo, which is what the M1 was intended for. The heavier 180 grain ammo or ammo loaded with powders different than GI type ammo, can bend the op rod.
Most people who have problems with M1's and ammo, are usually using some kind of cheap or foreign surplus ammo of unknown type.
Of course, the ideal ammo is some genuine GI M2 ball ammo. This may still be available from the CMP.
GREASE your M1, oil alone won't do.
Stick with 150 grain ammo, which is what the M1 was intended for. The heavier 180 grain ammo or ammo loaded with powders different than GI type ammo, can bend the op rod.
Most people who have problems with M1's and ammo, are usually using some kind of cheap or foreign surplus ammo of unknown type.
Of course, the ideal ammo is some genuine GI M2 ball ammo. This may still be available from the CMP.
GREASE your M1, oil alone won't do.
I just took a look at Southern Ohio Gun website; they have the Danish .30-06 ammo loaded into the en-bloc clips and clips in bandoliers, priced @ $169 for case of 624 rounds. (48 rounds per bandolier, 13 bandoliers per case).
This ammo is as close to the original Ball M2 formula as you will find, short of "roll your own".
This ammo is as close to the original Ball M2 formula as you will find, short of "roll your own".
I would avoid the American made commercial hunting ammo like the plague. The manufacturers use slow burning powders to maximize velocity.
No powder slower than 4320 should be used in a Garand. 4895 is even better. Most commercial hunting ammo is loaded with powder similar to 4350. That is too slow for the Garand.
The Garand action is indeed strong, and there is no safety concern, but the slow powder allows the pressure to be too high when the bullet passes over the gas port, causing a too violent operation of the action, and possibly damhging the operating rod.
Stick to military ammo, or handloads with fast burning powder,
No powder slower than 4320 should be used in a Garand. 4895 is even better. Most commercial hunting ammo is loaded with powder similar to 4350. That is too slow for the Garand.
The Garand action is indeed strong, and there is no safety concern, but the slow powder allows the pressure to be too high when the bullet passes over the gas port, causing a too violent operation of the action, and possibly damhging the operating rod.
Stick to military ammo, or handloads with fast burning powder,
Unless you are shooting M2 ball or the commercial equivalent such as PMC, I would suggest using this...
http://www.mccann.shop-utopia.com/scope/parts.html
http://www.mccann.shop-utopia.com/scope/parts.html
TRY THIS:
My post of 10/31/02:
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"Did a web search and found a competitive source: J&G Sales (www.jgsales.com).
Danish (80's and 90's mgf) 30.06 (150 gr) in Garand clips, 48 rd/bandolier.
Just ordered 10 bandoliers (480 rd total) @ 11.99 each band.
Their Prices:
1 - 9 @ $12.95/band
10 - 25 @ $11.99/band
26 or more @ $11.69/band
Not too bad, I think..."
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Received today, 11/06/02 -
Beautiful '91 stamped ammo, in Garand clips, brand new bandoliers. Haven't tried the ammo yet, but from what I have read, it will be fine.
Caveat: Shipping can be expensive, but still a good deal overall.
Alex
My post of 10/31/02:
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"Did a web search and found a competitive source: J&G Sales (www.jgsales.com).
Danish (80's and 90's mgf) 30.06 (150 gr) in Garand clips, 48 rd/bandolier.
Just ordered 10 bandoliers (480 rd total) @ 11.99 each band.
Their Prices:
1 - 9 @ $12.95/band
10 - 25 @ $11.99/band
26 or more @ $11.69/band
Not too bad, I think..."
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Received today, 11/06/02 -
Beautiful '91 stamped ammo, in Garand clips, brand new bandoliers. Haven't tried the ammo yet, but from what I have read, it will be fine.
Caveat: Shipping can be expensive, but still a good deal overall.
Alex
Today, I received a 624 round case of Danish from CMP, prepacked in the clips and bandoliers. The materials inside the crate indicated that it was 1989 stuff. It was in beautiful shape. $172 including shipping to my door. I can't wait to try it out, and I wish I had enough money to buy some more before it runs out.
SteelyDan,
It is perfectly okay to use military .30-06 and military .7.62X51 NATO in commercial rifles.
Military 5.56X45 should not be used in commercial rifles. Milspec 5.56 chambers have a longer leade than SAAMI spec .223 chambers. The military ammo could cause an overpressure situation in a SAAMI chamber.
It is perfectly okay to use military .30-06 and military .7.62X51 NATO in commercial rifles.
Military 5.56X45 should not be used in commercial rifles. Milspec 5.56 chambers have a longer leade than SAAMI spec .223 chambers. The military ammo could cause an overpressure situation in a SAAMI chamber.
cheygriz, you mentioned powders used in commercial hunting ammo...would the white box fmj ammo from win. and federal also use slow powders or would these be loaded with the more desirable faster, mil type powder? i realize this stuff is more expensive. on the other hand a person shooting it knows its quality ammo and a source that wont dry up.
Geo 57,
I am afraid you've got me on this one, my friend. Since W-W white box and the equivalent Rem. and Fed. pistols rounds are similar to their military ball ammo, I would assume that their generic rifle ball ammo is also.
However, before I shot any of it in my Garand, I think that I would E-mail them and ask.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer, but I just honestly don't know.
chey
I am afraid you've got me on this one, my friend. Since W-W white box and the equivalent Rem. and Fed. pistols rounds are similar to their military ball ammo, I would assume that their generic rifle ball ammo is also.
However, before I shot any of it in my Garand, I think that I would E-mail them and ask.
Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer, but I just honestly don't know.
chey
StarfuryZeta
New member
re: Korean M2
Jimmy Mac,
What is wrong with the Korean PMC M2 that is out now? It seems to be priced right for economical shooting (and the boxed format makes it local indoor range friendly).
Jimmy Mac,
What is wrong with the Korean PMC M2 that is out now? It seems to be priced right for economical shooting (and the boxed format makes it local indoor range friendly).