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Doc Hoy

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I began work on the trapdoor that I purchased at the GS .

In the way of background this thing (loving reference) started life as a rifle in 1882. SN is 18 then two unreadable digits but I think they are 55 and then 21. Keith at Trapdoors Galore does not have a listing for the rifle. The last listing (184XXX) before this rifle went to North Carolina. The one after it (187XXX) went to Oregon.

I am sure the thing I bought (paid 60 bucks) is a combination of parts from different origins. It has a base for a Buffington sight, but the original rifle was shipped with the short sight. Removing the sight base reveals a weathering pattern on the barrel from the original sight.

It has a rifle trigger guard.

The stock which is actually in quite good condition was cut off less than two inches in front of the lower barrel band. The barrel band spring is missing.

The barrel is from a rifle hence it is just over 32 inches in length. The bore is best described as poor to fair. The front sight blade, thumb latch cam and spring, and the extractor plunger and spring are all missing. The extractor is broken. The barrel band is one which was made from a section of brass pipe as the original is missing.

The trigger guard, butt plate, and barrel are weathered as though they came from a common origin. The lock appears to be less weathered.

The tumbler works as a two position tumbler. Two position tumblers are out there but I think this is not one of them. I think it has a worn half cock detent.

My plan for the thing is to turn it into a cavalry model carbine.

This will be my third conversion.

The operations have essentially three areas. 1. The stock, 2. The receiver, and 3. The peripherals including trigger guard, sight and such.

For the stock, I will extend the fore arm as I did on the 44XXXX serial Trapdoor. I will inlet the left side of the stock for a saddle ring and rail. I will make the saddle ring and rail and then refinish the stock to the point where the patina of the stock matches that of the metal of the rifle.

For the receiver I will make a firing pin and just buy the missing parts.

For the peripherals I will modify the existing trigger guard to match the carbine contours. (This will be an experiment.) I will buy the barrel band and sight. I will talk to Al Frasca about finishing out the Buffington sight rather than abandoning the Buffington base in favor of the sorter sight. More thought will go into that.

If this conversion is unsuccessful I will simply part out the thing and hope I get more than sixty buck for the parts.
 
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Doc Hoy

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Cut and crowned the barrel

On previous conversions, the process of shortening the barrel eliminated much of the age damaged barrel. On this rifle, the damage extends into the segment of the barrel which will remain after the shortening process.



I somehow missed the photo of the shortened barrel. I'll post it later.

Also started on the replacement sight.







I am sure that to an accomplished machinist, my techniques look primitive and odd.
 
There is no right way. I asked a classmate/machinist about making a hand (Colt Official Police) and he had a different approach from the one I started with (I drilled the pivot pin hole first so I had a point of reference). So long as the part is made is all that counts.
 

James K

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Gary, I did the same thing for the same reason. Most of the other areas can be worked on slowly and adjusted, but you can't move a hole once it is drilled.

Jim
 

Doc Hoy

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In my case, it comes from...

...A complete lack of training.

I bought a lathe and milling machine and just started fiddling.

So I make mistakes with holding the work piece in place. I have no clue about speed of advance, turning speed and such.

I have gotten pretty good at making the lathe tools, but that was by trial and error, and error, and error.

I have to think and plan a long time to get the sequence of operations down when I am trying to make a part. What cuts to make, when.

I know absolutely zero about heat treating.
 

Doc Hoy

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Just bought

The rear sight plus some screws, the thumb latch and cam, and a screw for the hammer.

I opted for a Buffington sight which took the cost up by about thirty bucks.

I'll prolly use the Buffington on a carbine I will keep. I will put the carbine sight I already have on this one. It'll be a closer approximation of a carbine if I do it that way. Potential buyer will have less to criticize.

144.00 delivered.

Al Frasca rocks!

I have my eye on an extractor plus spring and plunger as well as a barrel band on the evil bay. I am hoping to save some money on these parts.

Photos when these things arrive or when I get the front sight the way I want it.
 
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Doc Hoy

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Trashed the sight I started

The sight a made which I showed in the last post just was not working out. So I started from scratch.



Here is the cut down barrel.



I was outbid on the extractor too. More stuff from Al.
 

Doc Hoy

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Here is the problem....

...with the tumbler.

Much more obvious when the thing is disassembled.

Old tumbler is on the right. New tumbler (Thanks a lot TK) is on the left with the bridle installed and ready to go back into the lock.






 

Doc Hoy

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Update on serial number

The digit I thought was a "1" is actually a "4". So the serial number is definitely 485521. This means it was made in 1890.

Tnx,
 

Doc Hoy

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When I pulled the rifle apart

...and now that I know what to look for, I found the two bits of metal which were missing from the tumbler embedded in the wood inside the stock.

When I put the lock back into the rifle, I found that the stock was machined in a way that interfered with smooth operation of the sear.

I relieved the inletting in the stock to accommodate the operation of the sear with the new tumbler.

Now the rifle lock works as it should. Three positions and all.

Thanks again to the Tidewater Kid for letting me have that tumbler. Saved me about a thousand dollars in parts.
 

Doc Hoy

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Working these locks is a lot of fun....

I needed three tools to take the lock apart and put it back together.

Channel lock pliers, long nose pliers and a screwdriver.

The secret is to get the springs removed first. The mainspring is a trick.

The works cleaned up well with Ballistol.

I haven't decided if I like PB Blaster or Ballistol better.

BP Blaster is cheaper and easier to find.
 

Doc Hoy

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Yes. Good fortune indeed....

This tumbler came from Tidewater Kid and it was a windfall for me.

I think I have all of the parts on the way now. Total bill for parts was 214.00 delivered. Al recommended a barrel band that was far less expensive than the ones he had pictured. This allowed me to upgrade to the Buffington rear sight without adding a bunch to the bottom line.

More photos when this stuff comes in.
 

Doc Hoy

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Made some progress today

Smoothed the barrel down to make it more presentable.

Recontoured the trigger guard to make it look more like a carbine trigger guard. It is close but not completely accurate.

I found the last four digits of the serial number on the butt of the stock under the butt plate.

So now I have two additional bits of info.

1. The stock and the barrel and breach came from the same rifle. Probably the breach block as well.
2. The serial number is definitely 485521

Photos forthcoming when I get off my A _ _.
 
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