looking for a 9mm carbine or semi auto sub machine gun.

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cajun47

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for home/self defense. i love my handguns but would rather get to something more if i can. imo, my ak47 is too much to use around populated areas. i tested my mossberg shotguns and im disappointed with 00buck as well as slugs at 25 and 50 yards. my glock 19 had much better groups.

i want something in 9mm. the highpoint carbine with only 10 shots is not desired. the kel tec sub 2000 looks ok:

http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifles/sub-2000/

but is it durable? RELIABLE? the price seems too good to be true.

i would even look into a lever action in 9mm if it had 15 to 20 shots.
 
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Vermonter

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High Point

Is the mag capacity the only thing keeping you from a high point because I have seen aftermarket mags for them?
 
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gilfo

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If price is not a factor look into the Beretta CX model. It takes the hi cap Beretta mags.
I have the Sub2000 and I love it. The Beretta was out of my price zone and the KelTec fit me better.
 
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MLeake

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Marlin used to make a camp carbine in 9mm and .45acp, but it was discontinued in 1999. You might find a used one. Aftermarket 20rd mags were available, so you might find some of those, too.

My best friend has the Kel-Tec 9mm carbine. After shooting it a couple times, I'm still surprised to say that if I could find high capacity aftermarket mags for it, I'd definitely consider it for an HD carbine.

However, since I have an M4 length AR, the HD carbine slot is taken.
 
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Ridge_Runner_5

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Is the mag capacity the only thing keeping you from a high point because I have seen aftermarket mags for them?
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Only ProMag makes the hi cap mags for Hi Point last I heard, and they were all sorts of awful...feed lips that had to be modified, weak springs, etc....
 
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556Isdeadly

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Pro-mag tends to have that issue for proprietary systems. I had to carve the Feed lips on the polymer ones to get them working in the mini
 
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Vermonter

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High Point

I have used the pro mag stuff in a friends High Point 9mm hand gun and they work fine. I do not own one so the only expirence I can speak from is what I have seen from his High Point handguns. I am giving serious thought to a carbine TS myself.

The situation you describe in regards to the feed lips being bag scares me.
 
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HorseSoldier

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i tested my mossberg shotguns and im disappointed with 00buck as well as slugs at 25 and 50 yards.
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00 Buckshot will get the job done quite lethally at ranges where deadly force is defensible for a civilian. If you're taking shots at someone at 25 to 50 meters, you're going to have an increasingly difficult time articulating real, immediate fear for your safety and consequently increasingly likely to find yourself with the word "defendant" next to your name in court paperwork.
 
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Bamashooter

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I like the SU-2000 with Glock 17 mags. The only question would be is it built well enough to last.
The Hi-Point Carbine is reliable. Mine has a cheap red dot and it is very accurate out to 50yrds. or so. My problem with it is the 10rd. magazine. No-one makes a reliable hi-cap magazine for them. Promag tried and they didnt work out to good. If someone made a reliable one they could make alot of money becouse there are alot of people with 9mm Hi-Points.
 
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tulsamal

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If you're taking shots at someone at 25 to 50 meters, you're going to have an increasingly difficult time articulating real, immediate fear for your safety and consequently increasingly likely to find yourself with the word "defendant" next to your name in court paperwork.
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I guess it depends on what state you live in and what your house and property is like. We live on 90 acres. We are the last house on a dead end road. 5-6 miles from the county seat. I could easily imagine some kind of home invasion with multiple bad guys using one or more vehicles to breach my gate. If 3-4 guys bust through my gate in a speeding pickup and then bail out and start going for my house and my shop area, I'm going to be perfectly within my legal rights to engage them. Whether they are five yards away or fifty.

The local sheriff came out to talk to me after we moved here. Craig County only has 15,000 people in it. He wanted to meet the new family and he wanted to make sure I had "real world expectations." One of the things he told me was that the deputies can't cover the entire rural county at once. If it is the middle of the night and an emergency call comes in, it could take twenty minutes for a duty officer to go from one spot to another. So he told me that should be my planning goal. To think about how I could "engage and stop" the bad guys for the twenty minutes it would take for the good guys to show up.

Gregg
 
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Bamashooter

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tulsamal,
we need more sherriff's like the one you have. that way if something did go down both of you guys are on the same page.
 
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HorseSoldier

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I guess it depends on what state you live in and what your house and property is like. We live on 90 acres. We are the last house on a dead end road. 5-6 miles from the county seat. I could easily imagine some kind of home invasion with multiple bad guys using one or more vehicles to breach my gate. If 3-4 guys bust through my gate in a speeding pickup and then bail out and start going for my house and my shop area, I'm going to be perfectly within my legal rights to engage them. Whether they are five yards away or fifty.
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So in your particular circumstance and worst case scenario, the OP's AK he already mentioned would be workable, and with buckshot you wouldn't care at all about any flyers at 25 meters or slug accuracy at 50. He already stated the neighbors were too close for the AK -- and if they're close enough to sling a round into them accidentally with a rifle, they're realistically close enough to sling a pistol caliber round into as well.

we need more sherriff's like the one you have. that way if something did go down both of you guys are on the same page.
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What we really need are more District Attorneys on that same sheet of music. Some places they are, some places they aren't.
 
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