latest news in the fight to arm pilots

ernest2

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Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:34:56 -0400 (EDT)


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APSA Armed Pilot Update, May, 2002
http://www.secure-skies.org

PLEASE PASS THIS UPDATE ALONG TO ANYONE YOU KNOW
THAT MAY FAVOR ARMING AIRLINE PILOTS!

Overview

Welcome aboard. Many of you are new to our APSA
Updates and ALERTS. We try to send Updates twice
per month, but often events overtake us and our
communication slips. So, we’ll apologize in
advance but you can always check our Website for the
latest happenings. If you are a grizzled veteran
with us, you will note a sharper edge to this
Update. We have been patient for eight months - far
too long to be flying DISARMED AND DEFENSELESS.
It’s past time to get this done; the gloves are
coming off.

Tom Clancy would be envious of the plot since our
last Update. Frankly, for reasons we cannot
discuss, as of a short week ago we believed an
affirmative decision on arming pilots was imminent.
The Bush Administration has again retreated to its
tired, endless and pointless, “We’ll have a
decision in a few weeks” mantra. The most successful
terrorist attacks in human history are now almost
eight months in our past, and President Bush and
Transportation Security Administration boss John
Magaw are still incapable of figuring out whether
airline pilots should be armed. This, while they
simultaneously tell us that American citizens are
on borrowed time for another 9/11 terrorist
attack on U.S. Airliners. Dr. John Lott, celebrated
crime statistician and scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute has told us that while it would
be more difficult for terrorists to hijack
airliners today than on 9/11, the reward to them for
doing so is far greater and so their motivation is
corr
espondingly greater. If Al-Qaeda were
successful in commandeering even one aircraft today, the
airline industry would be devastated.

Since the president is not doing what more than
three-quarters of Americans want and law
enforcement (including his own FBI) recommends, Congress
is going to mandate that the Administration arm
pilots. We think the Bush White House has chosen
the path of least resistance: Bow to pressure
from airline managements, refuse to make a decision
and force Congress to mandate it. He cannot
afford to publicly oppose arming pilots because, in
the words of our friends in Congress, rarely has
there been an issue with such broad and
overwhelming support. Instead he hides behind indecision
and endless analysis.

The major groups that oppose arming airline
pilots are terrorists, airline managements, and some
in the Bush Administration. The opposition works
quietly and in the shadows, those of us in favor
shout from the rooftops. What was that old
axiom your mother used to repeat about things you had
to hide?

Congress Picks Up Administration Slack

On Tuesday, April 30th, Representatives John Mica
(R-FL) and Don Young (R-AK) introduced HR 4536
that will mandate an armed pilots program and also
address airline liability anxieties. Both Mr.
Young and Mr. Mica are enthusiastic supporters of
arming pilots, and APSA thanks them for their
leadership. On Thursday, May 2nd, Chairman Mica held
a hearing in the House on our issue. APSA,
representing ourselves and Allied Pilots’ Association
(American), Southwest Airline Pilots’
Association, Independent Pilots’ Association (UPS), and the
Coalition of Airline Pilots’ Associations
presented the then-current results of our on-line
petition (at that point, 44, 575 signatures - visit
www.secure-skies.org for the present count) to the
Chairman just before the hearing, in a
media-covered event. We are grateful for the vigorous
spirit of cooperation between our groups. Every pilot
represented by these organizations can be proud
of their selfless, a-political involvement.
Separately,
four Senators (see below) are working on similar
legislation. Congressmen in both houses believe
the bills have a good chance of passing. Just
how deeply the ATA has dug into the White House
will be evidenced by the President’s action when
presented with the final bill. The world - and Al
Qaeda - is watching.

Press Conference in Senate Office Building

Following Chairman Mica’s hearing, the above
pilot groups held a packed press conference in the
Senate Russell Office Building. Present also were
two pilots who lost family members on aircraft on
9/11. Senators Bob Smith (R-NH), Zell Miller
(D-GA), Conrad Burns (R-MT), and Frank Murkowski
(R-AK) and Representative John Hostettler (R-IN)
spoke very eloquently in favor of arming pilots, and
we are profoundly thankful for their leadership
and support. Captain Al Aitken, who is
Vice-Chairman of APA’s Committee for Armed Defense of the
Cockpit made excellent and direct opening remarks
for pilots. He and APSA Chairman, Captain Tracy
Price, then fielded questions from reporters.
Congressional staffers told us this was the “mother
of all press conferences” in that EVERY question
was hit clear-outta-the-park.

Media Coverage

APSA Board members are increasing tapped for
media appearances. APSA Chairman Capt. Tracy Price
has been a regular guest on the Chris Core radio
show on WMAL in Washington, DC, was interviewed by
KSAT radio in San Antonio and KSFO radio in San
Francisco. Tracy was also a guest on MSNBC. Al
Aitken and Tracy appeared together on Fox News.
Tracy was a featured guest Sunday the 5th on
CNN’s Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer in a live debate
with former Northwest Airlines security boss
Douglas Laird. APSA Board member Bob Lambert has
been regularly interviewed on television and radio
in Pittsburgh. APSA Board member Scott Lewis was
on the G. Gordon Liddy show two more times for a
total of nearly an hour. Following the May 2nd
press conference, Scott was on MSNBC’s Dan Abrams
Show, debating an “aviation expert” who also
failed to verbalize any coherent reason for opposing
armed airline pilots. Finally, in what is the
Media Homerun of the Month, APSA Board member Joe
Gennaro w
as interviewed on the revered BBC—yep, THAT BBC,
worldwide. Now we have to walk three steps
behind him and to the right (or is it left in
England?).

Liability—the Passion is Gone

APSA and other pilot groups, most particularly
our good friends at the Allied Pilots’ Association,
have worked hard to make certain that an
arming-pilots program addresses managements’ liability
(read money) worries. For our time, energy, and
financial investment for the sake of the airlines,
some airlines, along with the ATA, have thanked
us with relentless, staunch obstruction. We know
that their resistance has iceberg-like
proportions: what can’t be seen is a lot more significant
that what is above the surface. We have
abandoned our hope of showing the ATA where they can
benefit from our program for arming pilots and how
they can easily solve their liability problems.
Let the airline managements fret about liability.
They have put profits ahead of people’s lives;
we’re asking to protect our passengers and crew
without any additional compensation.

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ernest2

New member
PART2 OF 2 PARTS


Tasers—More Bad News

We know many of you have been up to speed on this
debate, but its political significance is growing
exponentially and we need to tell you why, and
what YOU can do to combat this silliness. At
Chairman Mica’s hearing, United Airlines VP of
Corporate Security Captain Hank Krakowski used his
allotted five minutes to hold a Taser worship service.
In fact, he went so far as to ridiculously claim
that, “The Taser is the best overall weapon
system.” Best for whom? If he’s concerned about the
well being of the terrorists, we’d have to agree.
But we think he is more worried about…Money! The
airlines want the traveling public to forget the
horrors of 9/11 and come back out for an airliner
ride. United hopes that putting stun guns in the
cockpit will make potential travelers “feel”
better. The airlines want travelers to keep their
heads in the sand and pretend that all is well;
arming pilots with lethal force will not work toward
that end. Capt. Krakowski was correct on one poi
nt—and only one point—that the cockpit must be
defended. He’s dead wrong if he thinks that a
stun gun will defend against a team of trained and
coordinated terrorists – LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
ARE CLEAR IN THEIR OPINION THAT TASERS AND STUN
GUNS WILL NOT DEFEND AGAINST THIS THREAT. Air
Taser Inc., in their own literature states that if
you are attacked from behind, or by multiple
assailants, you must be prepared to use the M26 as a
stun gun, i.e. hand-to-hand combat. With the
lives of thousands hanging in the balance, it is
clear that lethal force is warranted.

Since Krakowski brought up the issue, we can
address it here. United pilots are being subjected
to what some call a blatant hours-long sales
promotion for Tasers. We cannot discuss the
particulars of the training but we will characterize it,
in our view, as biased to the extreme, not giving
a “fair and balanced” view of the device’s
capabilities and, much more importantly, its weaknesses
and limitations. Neither Airtaser Company nor
United discuss what each and every law enforcement
official APSA has consulted has stated
unequivocally: Tasers are NOT to be employed against
multiple OR armed OR trained attackers; and today’s
terrorists meet ALL THREE of those criteria. Also,
we have been told that every law enforcement
agency that uses Tasers requires at least one other
officer present with a firearm ready as a backup.
APSA believes that United Airlines is eager to
sacrifice well-established, universal law
enforcement engagement rules on the altar of economic
anxieties.
Even the FBI has stated, “Less-than-lethal
devices, including stun guns and Tasers, should not
be relied upon to defend the cockpit of an
aircraft.” The National Institute of Justice, which
exists to study non-lethal weapons, stated during
the Mica hearing that none of the other available
types (chemical, etc.) should be used to defend
cockpits; and they said of Tasers that they are
perhaps suitable against a single attacker. NO ONE
without a financial interest in the matter
recommends Tasers to defend cockpits. Is that clear?
We would love to—and we damn sure can—debunk the
particulars of the United training here, but we
cannot without jeopardizing some pilots’ jobs.
Even the previously mentioned Mr. Laird said of
Tasers that they are not suitable and give a false
sense of security. Make a copy of this, or
material from our Website, and give it to United pilots
when you hear them gushing over their new toys.

A dozen international airlines arm their pilots
without incident. Pilots in this country were
armed for decades without a single unsafe gun
incident. When arming pilots with firearms has been
shown to be a safe course of action, why are we
even discussing less-than-optimal weapons? Why are
some willing to forfeit the obvious benefits of
firearms? Have we already forgotten the
consequences of failing to defend the cockpit?

What Now?

The ball is STILL in President Bush’s court, as
it has been since he signed the Aviation and
Transportation Security Act on November 19th of last
year. Actually, it has been in his court since
9/12, when he could and should have issued an
Executive Order arming pilots. Given the White
House’s stonewalling and hand wringing to date, we are
not optimistic.

The Congress, once again, holds the most promise,
but time will elapse to boil down various bills
to one that will be presented to our President.
For the foreseeable future, airline pilots and our
passengers will be flying DISARMED AND
DEFENSELESS. Al-Qaeda, and other terrorists that we don’t
even know about yet, must be thrilled.

Fundraising

As you can see, APSA has done a lot and continues
to be a key player in the fight to arm airline
pilots with firearms. Your donation will make a
difference. Even though your donations to APSA are
NOT tax deductible, every single penny goes
directly to the fight for arming pilots. No salaries,
no admin costs – it’s a good value for your
donations dollar. Please send your donation to:

APSA ,8190 Beechmont Ave # 340, Cincinnati, OH 45255-6117

As we have stated many times, we are in this
until we are armed. Relentless and Right. Stay the
course. With your continued support and pressure
on Washington, we will prevail over those who
cannot see past their wallets.

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LonWilson

New member
We have
abandoned our hope of showing the ATA where they can
benefit from our program for arming pilots and how
they can easily solve their liability problems.
Let the airline managements fret about liability.

They forget one thing:

Another airline skyjacking with high casuality rate like with 9/11 would destroy the airline industry. Liability lawyers ain't gonna help much when there's no more company to be liable for.

This brings up another interesting point: Tort Reform. We need it. Bad.
 

dinosaur

New member
Only our Sergeants were allowed to carry the taser. I drove one who was in Emergency Service before he got promoted. One time we were on a job where the guy was supposed to be suicidal with a knife. The boss had the taser and went in first with me right behind him. He told me that if he used the taser and it didn`t work or the guy charged him, he was going to duck and ordered me to shoot the guy. He said this in front of witnesses so there was no doubt. Well, things worked out ok and no one got hurt.

My point is you might hit the first guy but there`s no guarantee and since hijackers like to play team sports, you might as well shoot yourself with it.
 

qkrthnu

New member
Another airline skyjacking with high casuality rate like with 9/11 would destroy the airline industry. Liability lawyers ain't gonna help much when there's no more company to be liable for.

I'm sure they're think to themselves "If that happens the govt. will just bail us out again."
 
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