Keltec KSG as HD gun
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the rifleer
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I'd wait if you can't get both, its a pretty neat looking gun.
Willie Lowman
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I'll bet those things have a host of issues.
I haven't been very impressed with any Kel-Tec gun I've handled.
I haven't been very impressed with any Kel-Tec gun I've handled.
Consider the release history of the PMR-30, and of the RFB.
If you can even get one in the fall, which is doubtful, you will pay through the nose for it.
If the Mossy isn't enough to get you through a home defense situation, I don't really think the KSG would save you. And you can go buy a Mossy tomorrow instead of some indeterminate time this year or next year.
If you can even get one in the fall, which is doubtful, you will pay through the nose for it.
If the Mossy isn't enough to get you through a home defense situation, I don't really think the KSG would save you. And you can go buy a Mossy tomorrow instead of some indeterminate time this year or next year.
leadcounsel
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Get a used shotty now so you have it. IF, IF, IF the KT comes to market I'd wait until the rush subsides, and the bugs are worked out. Then you could sell the shotty for what you paid and break even and get the KT.
Bamashooter
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I agree with Willie Lowman..... I havent ever been impressed with kel-tec. Im not really a fan of that particular shotgun. I do think you would be better off getting the mossy and waiting until the kinks are worked out of the kel-tec before buying one. Thats what I would do at least. Im gonna protect my family with something I have 100% faith in.
Bill DeShivs
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They're not called "shottys."
Double Naught Spy
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No, they are "shotties" and we apparently have hundreds of threads where they are called "a shotty" and "shotties." So apparently they are...
http://thefiringline.com/forums/search.php?searchid=5299941
I don't care for the term either, but it seems to be an accepted term.
As for the KSG for HD, I really like the bullpup aspect for a reduced length gun that would make it easier to use around corners. I have a Knoxx Spec Ops stock on my 870 that gives a nice short profile, but I think the KSG is shorter. The Knoxx is nice in that it can be reduced to being shorter than a typical youth stock and yet extended if you prefer. It also helps with felt recoil.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/search.php?searchid=5299941
I don't care for the term either, but it seems to be an accepted term.
As for the KSG for HD, I really like the bullpup aspect for a reduced length gun that would make it easier to use around corners. I have a Knoxx Spec Ops stock on my 870 that gives a nice short profile, but I think the KSG is shorter. The Knoxx is nice in that it can be reduced to being shorter than a typical youth stock and yet extended if you prefer. It also helps with felt recoil.
I think it's a great design.
But when I went through the pump vs auto debate in my own head - I decided I'd rather have an auto.
I also personally think that 8 rounds are going to be enough to handle any HD situation that I might face.
I am leaning toward a Mossberg 930 SPX. Having said that though, there seems to be no way to shorten the 930 up, no way to have a collapslble butt stock. There are some corners in my house I really can't go around with a long arm, the KSG would be nice for that.
I also think the vertical grips that people have put on the KSG prototype / test models slow down the functioning of the pump action on the KSG. If you watch the YouTube videos of people using these - the pump action is not smooth and I think it's because of the vertical grip.
But anyway, I think I can engage 2 targets with an auto in the time that it would take me to cycle the action once on a pump shotgun.
If I could have my wish - I'd like a KSG semi auto, and with a mechanism that automatically switched to the second feed tube after the last round came out of the first feed tube - or a mechanism that automatically switched between the two tubes, but I was thinking you'd probably need the best engineers and designers at H&K and Benelli to come up with something like that that worked and worked reliably.
But when I went through the pump vs auto debate in my own head - I decided I'd rather have an auto.
I also personally think that 8 rounds are going to be enough to handle any HD situation that I might face.
I am leaning toward a Mossberg 930 SPX. Having said that though, there seems to be no way to shorten the 930 up, no way to have a collapslble butt stock. There are some corners in my house I really can't go around with a long arm, the KSG would be nice for that.
I also think the vertical grips that people have put on the KSG prototype / test models slow down the functioning of the pump action on the KSG. If you watch the YouTube videos of people using these - the pump action is not smooth and I think it's because of the vertical grip.
But anyway, I think I can engage 2 targets with an auto in the time that it would take me to cycle the action once on a pump shotgun.
If I could have my wish - I'd like a KSG semi auto, and with a mechanism that automatically switched to the second feed tube after the last round came out of the first feed tube - or a mechanism that automatically switched between the two tubes, but I was thinking you'd probably need the best engineers and designers at H&K and Benelli to come up with something like that that worked and worked reliably.
oneounceload
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Not hardly, only by those lacking in certain areas.
Brent - I imagine the forward weight when fully loaded would be a real PITA to try and maneuver quickly with
Double Naught Spy
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Your condensention aside, search here for shotty and you will find the search maxxes out at 40 pages quite readily, as does the search for "shotgun." The expression is very heavily used for one that is non-accepted, don't you think?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shotty
Go figure.
jaguarxk120
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On some web sites the use of slang or shortened words, the site program automaticly inserts the proper word. This would be there to instruct the poster/author of proper wording/terms to use when posting in any forum.
DNS, I have used every slang term possible to describe a shotgun.... But in the search that maxes out at 40 pages... about how many of the shotty hits are people correcting the poster for using the term?
And how many hits of the "shotgun" search are of folks correcting the poster for using the term "shotgun"...
There are some sites or even circles of friends where I use the terms Shotty, clip, and auto rather than Shotgun, magazine and auto loader...
But for use on TFL, I have tried to be a bit more "proper" in use of terminology if for no other reason than to make sure the readers of my posts don't assume I am a mallninja/tacticool/assault/airsoft/paintballer/WoW sort of fella...
Brent
And how many hits of the "shotgun" search are of folks correcting the poster for using the term "shotgun"...
There are some sites or even circles of friends where I use the terms Shotty, clip, and auto rather than Shotgun, magazine and auto loader...
But for use on TFL, I have tried to be a bit more "proper" in use of terminology if for no other reason than to make sure the readers of my posts don't assume I am a mallninja/tacticool/assault/airsoft/paintballer/WoW sort of fella...
Brent
oneounceload
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Does not make it correct or proper though. Does make the folks using it though seem immature - YMMV. Maybe having taught school for a while makes me dislike certain slang words, especially when one more key stroke allows the proper term to be used.
For many years a certain word used to describe persons of color was regularly and routinely used, even in the newspaper - didn't make it proper and correct, did it?
Back on topic.........while the KSG seems like a interesting application, I still wonder about handling with fully loaded magazines
Goatwhiskers
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Kinda like when the newspeople say that the accused "pleaded" guilty, or "the driver ran him over". Pixx poor grammar, but seems to have become common usage. Makes my skin crawl every time, though. Goatwhiskers
"Shottie" kinda irks me. I doubt that Miyashi called his best tools "Katy" for his Katana or "Washi" for his Washikazi. Respect for the hardware, IMO, is a good thing.
But to the real issue here......
The KSG may or may not be a viable HD tool,it's too new to have established a track record.
Like Brent, I opine that the dual wide track mags may adversely affect handling.
The two HD 870s here have mag extensions but handle well. Frankenstein has no extension, but with a short barrel handles FASTER than the HD tools. They're by no means slow, but Frank is Rattler fast. So is the little 20 gauge Express with it's 21" barrel.
Home defense crises rarely require more than a shot or two. It's burglars, not The Battle For Hue. Except for very rare incidents,what's in a standard pump or auto will be more than enough for reducing the threat level to acceptability.
And for those exceptions, we do practice reloading drills, do we not?
But to the real issue here......
The KSG may or may not be a viable HD tool,it's too new to have established a track record.
Like Brent, I opine that the dual wide track mags may adversely affect handling.
The two HD 870s here have mag extensions but handle well. Frankenstein has no extension, but with a short barrel handles FASTER than the HD tools. They're by no means slow, but Frank is Rattler fast. So is the little 20 gauge Express with it's 21" barrel.
Home defense crises rarely require more than a shot or two. It's burglars, not The Battle For Hue. Except for very rare incidents,what's in a standard pump or auto will be more than enough for reducing the threat level to acceptability.
And for those exceptions, we do practice reloading drills, do we not?