I seem to have offended a poster on here who asked me by PM for my load data. He read a post I had in the hunting forum about me shooting my deer this last season at 560 yards. This was on an ethics question and long range hunting.
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I think this guy must have stayed up all night typing these PM's because I sent my orginal reply to him about 8:30 pm. I don't mind sharing my componets but I really don't like giving the grains of powder I use unless it is well within the published specs by bullet or powder manufactures. I call it CYA!! I spend time at the bench and range developing my loads but why do some guys think that I have something top seceret, because I pulled off the shot of my lifetime.
Sorry about the long post but I kind of have to laugh at this guy. I mean to get so upset about me not giving a powder charge. The thing is I don't really know any of the posters on this forum personally except for Art, and I've only met him once, so sorry if I decided to play it safe. Sorry for the long post.
The question:
I read your post where you said that you have a good load worked up for your 270
I was just wondering what it was?
My answer:
I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you. Seriously though I won't give you my load because it is over max load by Sierra. I will tell you this in my Parker Hale 1200 I'm getting a little better than 3100 fps with either IMR/H4831 using Federal brass and CCI 200 primers. I'm not getting any pressure signs at all in my rifle. I also live over 6000 ft above sea level so I automaticly get a little extra speed out of my cartridges. I use 130 grain Sierra SBT Game Kings as my bullet of choice. I alway practice with what I hunt with.
I hope this helps but you will have to do a little work to find what works in your rifle. Mine just happens to like it a little hot.
His Reply:
Now the poster did not bold the last sentence I did, because I didn't think that in my orginal reply I said anything terribly offensive. I haven't sent any replys to this poster as of yet and have gotten anoter PM.I hear you talking, but you can't come in.
Look, I was a munitions specialist and I know all about handloads.
The crony and stuff we used was state of the art.
As far as you thinking that you did something that no one else has done in the past.
I highly doubt it.
I have published accuracy loads for my 270 Winchester time and time again. It is nothing more than 55.5 Grains of IMR 4350.
So looking at my charts and all that I have done with the 270 back n forth trying to get something hotter - more accurate. It didn't happen.
You can buck the velocity the whole way to 4000 fps in that caliber of gun with that weight of bullet.
You can run the chamber pressure well past 58,000 CUP if you want.
It will go faster, but the chances if it being more accurate is highly doubtful.
In my book, it says that the highest that they went was 56.5 gr. of IMR 4831 and the speed was 3080 at sea level.
So if your claim is that your bullet is traveling faster at 6000 ft above sea level. Then that is just about a duplicate load.
You can get 60 gr of IMR 7828 in that case and it is a compressed load.
The rated speed is 3140 ft per a sec.
Just that it isn't as accurate as the IMR 4350.
ok.
To go one further, you can use the IMR 4320 with much success with 45 .1 gr of powder and you can increase chamber pressure by using Magnum Primers.
The more powder you put in the shell, doesn't mean that it will go faster or be more accurate.
You have to have a long enough barrel to burn the powder that you use and you have to have a action strong enough to handle the chamber pressure.
So please don't insult me here.
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We did a study about 10 years ago and found out what works at the range doesn't always work out in the field.
We had problems with core seperation with the Sierra Game Kings that was so bad that we found chunks of lead inside deer and chunks of the jacket inside deer and against the skin of the far side of the animal.
The hide is elastic and the bullet expands and seperates and falls apart inside the deer and hits the hide on the far side and does not penetrate the whole way through the deer.
Most if not all the times, a well placed shot killed the deer reguardless. But the couple of times that we had to chase a deer was more than enough to look at other options.
We found that even though the Hornady bullets were cheaper at the store. They actually penetrated better in hunting situations and had better results.
The Hornadys will fly every bit as good at a range of up to 300 yards. So if the reason that you chose Sierra's was for their accuracy. Then you were lead down the wrong road.
It isn't until after you get past the range of 300 yards that the Match Kings and Game Kings were more accurate. Even then the amount of difference was so small that it isn't worth mentioning.
I will put it to you this way. When my dad goes to shoot. He wears the hat that Hornady gave me.
When he reloads, he uses the book that Hornady gave me. When he goes to buy bullets, he buys Hornadys.
This is how loyal he is.
When I was just a boy and my Uncle on my moms side turned my dad on to reloading. My Uncle had a reloading press in his basement and reloaded about every other week. My Uncle even shot his 44 Magnum in the basement for practice.
My dad had some reloading supplies at my Uncles house and when hunting season came. My dad wanted to reload some shells for hunting. My Uncle gave my dads bullets to another person - in a deal where he reloaded some shells for the man.
They went down the street, on a Sunday, the week of Thanksgiving. The gun shop only had SPEER'S.
My dad refused to load his shells with Speer bullets.
Even though Jack Oconner and Elmer Keith and all the big names in hunting used SPEER Bullets.
My dad thought that unless it said Sierra and unless they were Boat Tail bullets that they wouldn't kill a deer.
My dad has two RCBS presses, and also the LEE press that my Uncle used to reload his shells.
If I was to tell you that all he uses is the LEE press to reload his hunting ammo, you would laugh at him.
For someone that set in his ways to change and come right out and say that there was something better than the Sierra's would be like the pope saying that he isn't going to be Catholic no more.
I think this guy must have stayed up all night typing these PM's because I sent my orginal reply to him about 8:30 pm. I don't mind sharing my componets but I really don't like giving the grains of powder I use unless it is well within the published specs by bullet or powder manufactures. I call it CYA!! I spend time at the bench and range developing my loads but why do some guys think that I have something top seceret, because I pulled off the shot of my lifetime.
Sorry about the long post but I kind of have to laugh at this guy. I mean to get so upset about me not giving a powder charge. The thing is I don't really know any of the posters on this forum personally except for Art, and I've only met him once, so sorry if I decided to play it safe. Sorry for the long post.