Israel Planning Attack on Iran

Hard Ball

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The Sunday Times - World
From the London Times

The Sunday Times January 07, 2007

Focus: Mission Iran
Israel will not tolerate Iran going nuclear and military sources say it will use tactical strikes unless Iran abandons its programme. Is Israel bluffing or might it really push the button? Uzi Mahnaimi in New York and Sarah Baxter in Washington report

In an Israeli air force bunker in Tel Aviv, near the concert hall for the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra, Major General Eliezer Shkedi might one day conduct operations of a perilous kind. Should the order come from the Israeli prime minister, it will be Shkedi’s job as air force commander to orchestrate a tactical nuclear strike on Iran.

Two fast assault squadrons based in the Negev desert and in Tel Nof, south of Tel Aviv, are already training for the attack.

On a plasma screen, Shkedi will be able to see dozens of planes advance towards Iran, as well as the electronic warfare aircraft jamming the Iranian and Syrian air defences and the rescue choppers hovering near the border, ready to move in and pluck out the pilots should the mission go wrong.

Another screen will show live satellite images of the Iranian nuclear sites. The prime target will be Natanz, the deep and ferociously protected bunker south of Tehran where the Iranians are churning out enriched uranium in defiance of the United Nations security council.

If things go according to plan, a pilot will first launch a conventional laser-guided bomb to blow a shaft down through the layers of hardened concrete. Other pilots will then be ready to drop low-yield one kiloton nuclear weapons into the hole. The theory is that they will explode deep underground, both destroying the bunker and limiting the radioactive fallout.

The other potential targets are Iran’s uranium conversion facility at Isfahan — uncomfortably near a metropolis of 4.5m people — and the heavy water power reactor at Arak, which might one day be able to produce enough plutonium to make a bomb. These will be hit with conventional bombs.

In recent weeks Israeli pilots have been flying long-haul as far as Gibraltar to simulate the 2,000-mile round trip to Natanz. “There is no 99% success in this mission. It must be a perfect 100% or better not at all,” one of the pilots expected to fly on the mission told The Sunday Times.

The Israelis say they hope as fervently as the rest of the world that this attack will never take place. There is clearly an element of sabre-rattling in their letting it be known the plan exists and that the pilots are already in training. But in the deeply dangerous and volatile Middle East, contingency plans can become horrible reality.


NO nuclear weapon has been fired in anger since the American bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945. Should Israel take such a drastic step, it would inflame world opinion — particularly in Muslim states — and unleash retaliation from Iran and its allies. But Israelis have become increasingly convinced that a “second holocaust” of the Jews is brewing, stoked by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president and chief Holocaust denier, who has repeatedly called for Israel to be destroyed.

Western Europe and the United States have been trying to persuade Tehran to drop its nuclear ambitions, using the carrot of co-operation with a legitimate nuclear energy programme and the stick of UN sanctions. But they have had no effect.

As a result, Israel sees itself standing on its own and fighting for its very existence. It got a taste of what Iran was capable of during last summer’s war in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah, Tehran’s proxy troops fighting from bunkers secretly built by Iranian military engineers, humiliated the Israeli army and rained missiles into northern Israel.

Every Israeli government has vowed never to let Iran acquire nuclear weapons. Ariel Sharon, when he was prime minister, ordered the military to be ready for a conventional strike on Iran’s nuclear programme. Since then, however, the Iranians have strengthened their nuclear facilities and air defences, making a conventional strike less likely to succeed.

“There are 24 strong batteries around Natanz, making it one of the most protected sites on earth,” said an Israeli military source. Its centrifuge halls, where the uranium is enriched, are heavily protected at least 70ft underground.

Ehud Olmert, the prime minister, recently “let slip” the world’s worst-kept secret that Israel is a nuclear power; Israeli defence experts are now openly debating the use of nukes against Iran. Shlomo Mofaz, a reservist colonel in Israeli military intelligence, believes that tactical nuclear weapons will be required to penetrate the defences that Iran has built around its nuclear facilities.

Israel developed tactical nuclear weapons in the early 1970s for use on the battlefield. In an attack on Iran, its air force would be expected to use a low-yield nuclear device of 1 kiloton (equivalent to 1,000 tons of TNT), loaded on a bunker-buster missile.

“If the nuclear device explodes deep underground there will be no radioactive fallout,” said Dr Ephraim Asculai of the Tel Aviv Institute for Strategic Studies, who worked for the Israel Atomic Energy Commission for more than 40 years.

Professor Peter Zimmerman, a nuclear physicist at King’s College, London, was less sure. “The definition of low-yield nuclear weapons is not easy,” he said. “I assume that it includes any device which is less than 5 kilotons. If such a bunker-buster missile is exploded at 70ft below ground” — thought to be the minimum depth of the hidden centrifuges in Natanz — “some radioactive fallout is expected.”
 

cuate

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Saddam had a nuclear thing being built by Frenchmen I believe, Israel's Air Force flew over and bombed it and its no more. Kind of like they used to say in Germany, "Kommen das Amerikanisch fleagel, boom, boom, alles ist kaput" !!
 

mete

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Why have they waited ??? Iran is seriously out to destroy Israel ! And I hope they don't give in to pressure from other countries -they'll get screwed as they have in the past ! As Netenyahu says every delay increses risk to not only Israel but to other countries.
 

threegun

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If Iran gets a nuke they will destroy Israel to bring on the end of the world. Muslims believe that when the world is destroyed Allah will bring them back to assume there rightful place as rulers of the world. If Israel doesn't attack first they will be destroyed.
 

Blackwater OPS

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Guess what, the US has plans, both nuclear and conventional, to attack EVERY country. Israel's leadership/military would be horribly inept if they failed to develop an attack plan for a neighboring country that has sworn to take them off the face of the earth. People are reading into this too much.
 

PILMAN

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Israel has had nuclear weapons for quite some time, since the 50's. The French built the reactor but failed to finish it so the Israelis completed it. It is the Dimona research facility in the negev desert. It's quite old but here is a video on it

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yf39qkvwOhU


Israel has multiple platform systems, it's rumoured they can use tomahawk missiles from their dolphin subs. It's known for a fact they have ICBM's (Jericho-2 and Jericho-3 missiles) as they can launch satellites into space via the Shavit launcher. They also can launch from plane.

Personally I don't think Israel will nuke Iran, it may attack it's reactors though, don't forget Israel attacked Iraqs reactors and crippled the Osirak reactor by flying below the radar.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2295792449224502914&q=osirak&hl=en

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera
 

cloudcroft

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threegun,

Well, the 12th Imam hiding in that well (since 941 A.D.) didn't show up as expected so I'm not sure what the Iranians will do next.

It IS pretty pathetic, however, that we need to have Israel kick ass for the rest of the Western World which is too afraid of Islam to act.

-- John D.
 

sanson

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I'm afraid our politicians are so afraid of world opinion they are afraid to take extreme actions. until something horrific happens to us:eek:
 

Blackwater OPS

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It IS pretty pathetic, however, that we need to have Israel kick ass for the rest of the Western World which is too afraid of Islam to act.

Very true John, we would have been in a world of s**t if they had not knocked out Saddam's nuke factory in '81. And at the time we condemned them for it.
 

Eghad

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If Israel goes up in smoke so does a of of US investment. I think last year the US invested another 18 billion in Israel. US Investors have a lot of money tied up in Israel.
 

Someoldguy

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Guess what, the US has plans, both nuclear and conventional, to attack EVERY country. Israel's leadership/military would be horribly inept if they failed to develop an attack plan for a neighboring country that has sworn to take them off the face of the earth. People are reading into this too much.

I'm glad that I joined the Firing Line. So far, this comment makes more sense than anything I've read or heard about the matter. Keep 'em coming!

:D
 

Alex_L

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Once a period The Sunday Times publishes an article about Israeli plan to attack Iran. These articles could be not more then an issue for some psychologist specializing in perversions, but the funny thing is that it echoes all over the world.
 

Caeser23

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"I'm afraid our politicians are so afraid of world opinion they are afraid to take extreme actions. until something horrific happens to us"

you would think that 9/11 would be enough to take anything that any camel jockeys say seriously and do something about it, I thought Bush said after 9/11 that if there is a threat out there, a pre-emptive strike will happen:confused:
 
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