Iraq's most powerful weapon against the U.S. is revealed.

JohnKSa

Administrator
Read down to see the highlighted portions indicating how Hussein plans to defeat the U.S. The sad thing is that it will almost certainly be effective...

Defense & Foreign Affairs Daily (condensed)
November 4, 2002
Preparations Indicate US Readiness For Conflict With Iraq, Initiated By Air War, Starting Late November 2002


Analysis. By Gregory R. Copley, Editor, GIS (Global Information System), with field report inputs. The framework, timing, political and military doctrine for the US-led attack on Iraq is taking shape, with the prospect of Coalition air assaults ready to begin against Iraqi targets around the third week of November 2002 - before the end of the month of Ramadan- with formal Coalition ground force insertion possible around New Year 2003.

Coalition special forces - US, British, Australian and possibly French and New Zealand - would engage inside Iraq well before the formal ground force entry, not just as target designators for air attacks, but to engage in intelligence and sabotage ops. The emerging timeframe is highlighted by growing US pressure on the United Nations to develop a suitable resolution to set the stage for military action. The US mid-term elections and the Turkish general elections would have been disposed-of on November 5 and 3, 2002, respectively.

This GIS timing assessment appears to agree with reports on Iraqi expectations of US intentions.

Iraqi Disposition: It seems likely that Iraqi Army regular forces - the least capable and least trusted of the ground forces - would be deployed around Mosul to the north and Basra to the south, apart from the continued deployment of a substantial force of Army, Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard with the al-Quds forces in the far West, poised for ops against Israel. Substantial Iraqi Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard forces, along with air defense forces, would center around Baghdad and the national command authority.

Given the different geopolitical scenario compared with 1990-91, Coalition forces must be expected to channel up the highways from the Persian Gulf and down the main highway from the north. Just as this made Iraqi forces vulnerable in 1991, it now makes invading forces vulnerable to pre-positioned massive explosives. Some Western analysts believe that if Hussein has even one nuclear weapon - or nuclear device - it would be positioned to destroy US forces, perhpas including a substantial number of Iraqis, along such a choke-point.

GIS sources indicate that most regional and Iraqi military leaders feel that Iraq cannot resist a US assault, but could only hope to make the US entry as costly as possible as soon in the war as possible, and then to draw out the fighting into Baghdad to the point where the US Media would make continued US engagement untenable.

This is a high-risk strategy for Hussein, but possibly the only one open to him, apart from attempts to widen the war by attacking Israel or to create a broadly-based new Arab-Israeli War, which would deny regional basing to the US and which would in many ways vitiate Coalition freedom of action in air, ground and sea-space adjacent to Iraq or essential to the war against it. It is assumed that Pres. Saddam has a personal exit strategy, to sustain the myth that he could not personally be defeated by the US. Significantly, although there are many Iraqi military personnel who would be prepared to abandon Pres. Saddam at the earliest opportunity, many Iraqis extrapolate in that case national unity would be lost and, like Afghanistan, a weak central government could see the rise of separatist, regionalist forces.

Significantly, the principal anticipated US allies in the war against Saddam are the Kurdish groupings in the Iraqi north. However, an end to the Saddam Administration would end Kurdish control of illegally smuggled oil through Kurdish territory to Turkey--a significant source of income. Also the Kurdish rôle in smuggling oil into Turkey has to a large extent kept Turkey from attacking the Kurds inside Iraq. For the Kurds, then, the overthrow of Saddam - despite his past atrocities against the Kurds - would presage a worsened security and economic situation.

Iraqi Doctrine: The main forces of the Iraqi Army would probably be used merely to slow Coalition ground force penetration toward Baghdad. Principal fighting would be conducted in Baghdad, and possibly some of the corridor urban areas leading to it. Although US analysts, for the most part, anticipate that Saddam would use chemical weapons, it is most likely that the Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard units would use mostly mustard gas weapons. It is easily made, stores well, and the Iraqis have considerable experience with it.

Iraqi personnel witnessed and learned from the Israeli ops in Jenin, earlier in 2002, just as US special forces personnel also witnessed the operations while accompanying Israel Defense Force (IDF) units in the IDF attacks. The booby-trapping of Jenin by Palestinian forces - many supported by, or trained by Iraqi special forces - will probably be emulated inside Iraqi urban areas, but on a more devastating scale, since Saddam is clearly willing to sacrifice large numbers of Iraqis to defend his position. Principal urban weapons will be RPG (rocket-propelled grenades) and sniper fire, as well as mortar-delivered and booby-trap mustard-gas weapons. This will substantially slow Coalition progress urban areas, and coalition forces will need to "suit up" in chemical protection attire, and operate under closed-down conditions in armored vehicles for much of the fighting. This will make the conflict far more costly, slow and messy than the 1991 Gulf War.

Although there has been concern over possible Iraqi Army acquisition of as many as 2,800 Renault tanker trucks, GIS analysts were more concerned with finding evidence of Iraqi acquisition of field kitchen units, which would be key to preparation of mustard and other agents for booby traps and mortar payloads. Also, the tanker trucks could form the basis of mobile booby traps.

External preparation: There is ongoing concern within key US and allied military circles as to whether all factors have been considered carefully enough by the US leadership, before embarking on the war against Saddam. Significantly, none of the military sources contacted by GIS doubted the US-led Coalition's ability to succeed in overthrowing the Saddam Government and subduing Iraq, provided the White House could sustain its will.

There was some doubt expressed by even US sources that the Bush Administration could sustain the will to total victory if the fighting became protracted and the casualties became serious, while at the same time media criticism became pronounced.

However, White House sources indicate that the Bush administration felt it had no option other than to push ahead, despite difficulties--any withdrawal partway through the operation would lead to a decisive and protracted escalation from Islamist groups as well as from Muslim states alienated by the war. Israeli forces were themselves preparing for an escalation in regional conflict, and were clearly not depending on US protection in a possible wider war. The Israel Air Force (IAF) was scheduled to begin exercises on a full war footing during the week of November 3, 2002, with all facets of the IAF involved.

Meanwhile, the aircraft carrier USS Constellation departed its home base of San Diego, California, on November 2, 2002, heading a six-ship carrier battle group on a six-month mission. The USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group is already deployed--there would be a period where both of them were deployed simultaneously in the Gulf. Another US carrier group is in the Mediterranean, giving some 225 combat aircraft available for action against Iraq, apart from US Air Force aircraft in the region, and from US and European bases.

The US Defense Department said during the last week of October 2002 that B-2 strategic bombers would be sent to bases in Britain and to Diego Garcia, putting them closer to Iraq. The US Navy also said on November 1, 2002, that it was looking for commercial shipping to take ammunition and vehicles to the Gulf, the Red Sea and the Arabian Sea amid a repositioning of US forces. The USN has already awarded a stream of contracts to take armor, ammunition and other military equipment to the region ahead of any military intervention in Iraq. US Defense Department officials said that they expected the contracts to be completed in time for delivery of the equipment in late November or early December 2002.

Russia said that the UN Security Council was nearing agreement on the terms for resuming weapons inspections in Iraq, but that "serious" disagreement remained over the US threat of force. Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector, met Security Council members on November 1, 2002, and UN inspectors were due to go to Larnaca, Cyprus, on November 2-3, 2002, to start setting up a staging post for their operations in Iraq. Blix had said that an advance party could arrive in Baghdad between seven and 10 days after a resolution was adopted. GIS sources, however, have noted the difficulty inspectors would face in finding Iraqi weapons of mass destruction assets, because of the extensive programs of placing assets on mobile platforms including trucks and barges.
 

Schuey2002

New member
Can you say,Nukem?
C'mon,say it with me..

N--U--K--E--M ......

Now it wasn't that hard,now was it?
:D :D Just pulling your leg :D :D
 

ajaxinacan

New member
the continued deployment of a substantial force of Army, Republican Guard and Special Republican Guard with the al-Quds forces in the far West, poised for ops against Israel.

Whooboy! That's rich. I'd like to see them try.


Seriously, this article is more alarmist armchair garbage, IMHO. I am not a military genius, but I know American doctrine regarding static defenses. It really hasn't changed since the hedgerows of Normandy: Keep their heads down with suppression fire, bomb or shell them. Never kill a sniper with a bullet when a bomb or tank is available.

Go ahead and hunker down inside those cities. Go ahead and set static traps. Go ahead and group together around key intersections. Make our job a little easier.

"Static defenses are a monument to the stupidity of man." --George S. Patton

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a massive frontal assault upon prepared Iraqi positions.

This writer has it wrong. JMHO
 
I love how the US forces predictably go up the marked highways.

Perhaps the Iraqis will be kind enough to provide traffice police to get US troops into position more quickly?

My bet?

Just as it was during the Gulf War.

A massive flanking maneuver, only this time on the backs of helicopters.
 

mons-meg

New member
I'm willing to bet the Kuwaitis would be more than happy to let us stage along hteir norther border, as well. Just a hunch.
 

kjm

New member
First off, I doubt our people are stupid enough to be sucked into a street war when even me as a private knew that you don't let the enemy dictate the time nor place of battle. You do that and make him react. Secondly, the whole headgame phase has started and I know we're "leaking" stuff to make Saddam feel insecure, and he's leaking stuff or intentionally saying non-truths to make our planners plan for those options too.

The hope is that we leak enough and show just enough and let Iraqi Intelligence discover that CIA is undercover in Saddam's cabinet and command staff, and before long Saddam takes out our most feared commanders himself. Get him to do the heavy lifting for us.

Then, once he's killed a few of his bright generals, and political aides, then no other General will be willing to lead or step out on a limb, and voila! We'll have a poorly led or unled army in the field. Now how easy is that?

I'm not strategist, but my guess is that a lot of this is going on now. We know the really bright Generals on Saddams staff and so we will make sure that they recieve a mysterious payment from an Israeli or Puerto Rican bank. Saddam will take care of the rest. The headgames are more fun to watch than the smart bombs.
 

JohnKSa

Administrator
Is the underlining/bold/italics not showing up?

:confused: :confused:

It's not about US casualties. It's not about what the tactics will be. It's not whether the US is predictable or not.

What ended our engagement in Somalia, what caused the Gulf War to be cut short, is still our greatest weakness.

We have no stomach for casualties. Not our own, certainly, but not even for enemy casualties--and if the fighting gets into the Baghdad, a lot of the people dying won't be wearing uniforms--they'll be the civilians that always get caught in the middle.

The administration ended the Gulf War early when the Media started publicizing the slaughter of the Iraqi occupation force on the highways returning to Iraq after plundering Kuwait--NOT because we were losing or because we were taking lots of casualties.

Read the article again--the tone is clear. We WILL win if we carry through. Not even Iraq believes that they can stand against us. The only thing that can defeat us is the loss of our will to continue. And remember, most of the country will form it's opinion based on what the Media spoonfeeds it.
 

TexasVet

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The main forces of the Iraqi Army would probably be used merely to slow Coalition ground force penetration toward Baghdad. Principal fighting would be conducted in Baghdad,
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Yes the highlights are showing up, it's just that they are stupid!
How is 1/3 of the last army (all that still exists) gonna slow us down when the entire army (3/3's) folded in 100 hours last time? Stupid.
And the Bagdagd bit? When your door to door weapon is a tank with a 120mm smoothbore, there are NO DOORS TO FIGHT OVER. Stupid, again.
Not you, mind you, just the cretin who wrote this garbage.

And if you were remembering what ACTUALLY happened, it was the number of IRAQI casualties (highway of death, etc.) that caused the Gulf War to be cut short. Made the Saudi king nervous and he called, begging us to stop the killing. Looked bad, all those arabs dying so easy.
 

Dangus

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There's nothing wrong with the media questioning US casualties. It should have been done more in Vietnam. Unfortunately, with our current war, we seem to have learned nothing from Vietnam, and once again are fighting a war that's "Not really a war".
 

JohnKSa

Administrator
I don't believe that there will be a lot of US casualties. Witness Somalia where less than two hundred US soldiers without the benefit of armor or heavy air support killed between 1,000 and 1,500 Somalis while only losing only a handful of soldiers.

It's the Media coverage that will make the difference. If we get into a situation where lots of Iraqi civilians are killed and the Media gets some choice pictures--people here in the US will start screaming about inhumanity and things will have to wrap up. Of course those are the same people who won't remember how this all harks back to all the sudden orphans who had no one to pick them up from New York babysitters, daycares, kindergartens, and schools on September 11...
 

itgoesboom

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I think our biggest concern needs to be how we are going to launch our ops into Iraq. Saudi Arabia (which should be our next target IMHO) just told us that even if the UN approves action, they will not let us use their bases. That takes care of blocking us from the South-Southwest part of Iraq. And Kuwait told us the we can't use their bases unless the UN approves action. So that blocks of a substantial part of Southern Iraq. (What a way to say thanks for saving their butts.) And we all know that the UN is worthless, and will never approve action. We know there is a snowball's chance in hell that Iran would let us invade from there, so that effectively takes care of the eastern part of Iraq. Likewise Syria would never let us mount an attack on an arab nation from there, at least not now. So that takes care of most of the West and the North. Not so sure about Jordan, but i think they aren't going to allow us either, so that takes care of that part of the west.

So that leaves us with only a couple allies, and just as few options. I read a report on FNC that we are building more bases in Qatar, but that doesn't seem like a very good place to launch a ground attack from. Looks to be in range for air strikes for much of Iraq, but its pretty far away to launch a ground attack. I guess Turkey might be playing ball with us, although that could change at a moments notice, especially since their recent elections. But if they let us attack from there, at least we would be able to come in from the north.

Other than that, the only other way in is through the Persian Gulf, in a narrow area between Kuwait and Iran. We have carriers there, and can mount a great air offensive, but what about ground offensive? Are we going to risk and amphibious assault in the one place that Saddam knows that we have to attack through?

It sounds like that will have to be the plan, to pound the snot out of the Iraqis on the southern coast, send in the marines, not to mention the rangers, and try to set up forward operating bases in Southern Iraq. Move all of our equipment and men there, and then mount an operation from the south. Hopefully at the same time we will be able to attack from the North from Turkey, and turn this into a two-front war.

Unless GWB and Colin Powell can somehow convince the other countries to let us use their land, it looks like it would probably be a tougher campaign then was faced in '91. Ofcourse, there is the possibility that Kuwait and Suadi Arabia have agreed to let us use their soil, and what we are reading in the news is just a diversion tactic.

Did i leave anything out?

I.G.B.
 

edamon2k

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If they all retreat into baghdad who cares....

no one says we have to go in and fight.

Just set up a perimeter around the city.. nothing in
or out.

See how long they can live with no electricity, food, water,
etc.

We've got the time.

-d
 

coati

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The various media will report our casualties, but probably use the inevitable Iraqi civilian loss (due to their military targets being surrounded by schools and innocents) as evidence of our cruelty.

Against this type of foe, we need to be prepared to remove all traces and salt the soil. If the administration is prepared to do this, we will accomplish our task.
 

foghornl

New member
Iraq's US allies....

Tommy "The Commy" Daschle

Dan Blather of CBS

A vast majority of the US 'Mass Media'

Those other Dem-Ole-Rat Legisneakers that went to Iraq recently, and blasted President Bush....TRAITORS.
 
I think it's an absolute fallacy that the American people have no stomach for accepting casualties.

If the cause can be sold as being right enough...

If the aims are explained, and kept, clear enough...

And if the danger is perceived to be "imminent" enough...


Then the American people have, and will have, a lot FEWER problems accepting casualties. Americans have proved that in wars before.

Americans were prepared to accept, and even expected, pretty substantial casualties during the Gulf War. The size and possible military potential of the Iraqi army was not down played.

Why? Because the goals, aims, and possible dangers were well explained. Protecting our allies. Preserving Democracy (yeah, a lie, I know), and tacitly, protecting our cheap gasoline.

Why, then, weren't Americans prepared to accept casualties in Somolia?

Because it was a freaking humanitarian mission! We were going there primarily to feed the starving Somalis.

When they started killing US servicemen, I can understand just why people started saying "This is absolutely unacceptable, let the ****ers STARVE to death."
 

Oleg Volk

Staff Alumnus
I have no stomach for avoidable American casualties.

Further, if we start bombing Iraq, they might start bombing the US in earnest. How'd you like a Northern Ireland reenactment in Uptown Boise? These conflicts tend to work both ways.

Then again, I am not all that well-informed on Iraq. Much of my info comes from sources known to lie on occasion.
 

Bogie

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What I'd worry about, should we get into a war with Hussein, is that if he looks like he's gonna get whupped... Well, if he's got smallpox, he might use it.

It'd burn through the U.S. with about a 30% mortality rate, assuming medical facilities could handle the demand. If he's managed to cook up some genetically altered smallpox, all bets are off - could be up to 90% mortality.

And it's highly contagious. Anthrax is MILD compared to it.
 

Will Beararms

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Remember that Drone practice run that killed six Al Quaeda boys in Yemen? Boys and girls that was a trial run. Bush is very methodical and all of this is going just as he has planned. A few hundred drones instill intense fear and eliminate the head of the beast so that the tail quits moving. He has been buying time to marshall troops and material. I believe they will try to elimibate key leaders before any major assual to minimize human casualties.

The press will be a non-factor. If this does happen it will happen quickly and we will find out about it after the fact. Bush knows he can't drag this out and that is why I say he will handle the press effectively. Remember, CIA executions are no longer off the table for America. He will present the rest of the evidence they have after the intial strike is made and when we find out what is really going on, we will sigh of relief to know Bush ignored the UN.
 
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