Let me make this perfectly clear. Idaho specifically recognizes
ALL other issued permits:
18-3302(5) The requirement to secure a license to carry concealed weapons under this section shall not apply to the following persons:
(g) Any person who has physical possession of his valid license or permit authorizing him to carry concealed weapons from another state; and
(h) Any person who has physical possession of a valid license or permit from a local law enforcement agency or court of the United States authorizing him to carry concealed weapons.
Subsection (h) was added to clarify that any license/permit was accepted because some states don't issue, they are issued by local police or courts.
FrankenMauser said:
Aguila Blanca said:
FrankenMauser said:
And, remember, it isn't "Constitutional Carry". It's "permitless carry."
I agree, but the title of this thread is "Idaho becomes the 8th State for 'Constitutional Carry'."
Al used a commonly (but often incorrectly) -applied term, in quotation marks, to get the point across.
Thank you FrankenMauser. I have gotten so tired of stating permitless carry, only to be shouted down by certain 2A purists, that it is "Constitutional Carry"... it isn't.
There is no such animal. So what happens? I use the miss-applied but seemingly common term and in quotes, and some of you still gripe.
Now, let's get down to brass tacks, of the Idaho law. It used to be, that Title 18 Chapter 3302 section 1 gave the legislative authority as it regards concealed weapons. The courts and law enforcement, in general, misconstrued that intent. When the legislature changed the law to provide for total state preemption as to the regulation of weapons, the legislature changed the wording of that section. It now reads:
18-3302(1) concealed weapons. (1) The legislature hereby finds that the people of Idaho have reserved for themselves the right to keep and bear arms while granting the legislature the authority to regulate the carrying of weapons concealed. The provisions of this chapter regulating the carrying of weapons must be strictly construed so as to give maximum scope to the rights retained by the people.
It is now a straight forward read, most especially the part I highlighted above. With that in mind, here is what the new changes say, point by point as I stated in the OP.
A couple of years ago, the legislature changed some ambiguous wording on what constitutes a prohibited concealed carry place. It used to include cities, towns, villages, mining camps and railroad camps. That was changed to only include "within the confines of any city" (a permit was then required). When the current law goes into effect it will read:
18-3302(3) No person shall carry concealed weapons on or about his person without a license to carry concealed weapons, except:
(d) Outside the limits of or confines of any city, if the person is over
eighteen (18) years of age and is not otherwise disqualified from being
issued a license under subsection (11) of this section.
In simple terms, if you are 18 or older and are not a prohibited person, you may carry concealed without a permit, as long as you are outside city limits. You will still need a permit to carry within a city, except...
The second point I made in the OP goes to a change in section (4). it added a subsection (f). When in effect the law will read:
18-3302(4) Subsection (3) of this section shall not apply to restrict or prohibit the carrying or possession of:
(f) A concealed handgun by a person who is:
(i) Over twenty-one (21) years of age;
(ii) A resident of Idaho; and
(iii) Is not disqualified from being issued a license under subsection (11) of this section.
In simple terms, if you are at least 21 years of age, a resident of Idaho and you are not a prohibited person, you can carry within city limits without a permit.
To clarify, Subsection (11) lists all of the reasons you can not have a concealed weapons permit. Suffice it to say that in lieu of listing all of that, there is a "catch-all" subsection. 18-3302(11)
says that if you are ineligible to own, possess or receive a firearm under state or federal provisions, you can't get a permit. Now, on to point 3, as listed in the OP.
18-3302(20) was changed to read that a permit
shall issue to persons between 18 and 21 years of age, provided that these individuals would otherwise meet the requirements of 18-3302K. That Idaho Code section contains the requirements of our new "Enhanced" permit. So that if you can qualify under the enhanced permitting system, and you are between 18 and 21, you will be issued a concealed weapons permit. That permit will expire on your 21st birthday.
It goes further. When you reach 21, you will need to renew your permit. But because you had qualify, as if you were getting an enhanced permit, your renewal will be for the Enhanced Permit and will be issued for 5 years.
There you have it. A complete breakdown of the changes under Idaho law.
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Now for an opinion:
There are going to be 2 caveats here. First, a lot of states do not and/or will not recognize a permit for anyone under 21 years of age. You folks will have to research that, before you decide to travel outside of Idaho and want to carry concealed. Second, there will be states that will not accept the Idaho permit (regular or enhanced) and will use the reason being that we issue to under 21. Again, research before you leave our state.
Since only 5 more states have agreed to honor the enhanced permit, I personally could give a care that these 5 will more than likely no longer honor the Idaho permit. I think our legislature has figured this out, since so few of these other states have agreed to honor us, regardless of the fact that our enhanced permit meets or exceeds their own permitting process, they (our legislature) are simply giving them (the rest of the US) the finger.
