How can you live there?

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Dave85

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I have long contested that NYC does not belong to America at all. It is, in fact, a small, socialist European nation that broke off and drifted across the Atlantic only to attach itself to our Eastern seaboard. I would not live there. Nor Chicago. Nor Boston. I visit all three places regularly, and love them for what they are. No better time can be had than a night on the town in any one of these cities. I could never live in those places, however, because I value Liberty, and their governing powers do not. Indeed, they seem to operate as if the Constitutions of the U.S. and their own States do not exist. And it transcends just their views on RKBA.

I have mentioned the three cities that are crossed off my list. Here are the three States which I absolutely would not call home:
California
Massachusetts
New Jersey
(New York State would also be a pretty tough sell, as would Illinois.)

Is there anyone from any of these places who can give me a compelling reason to change my mind? I'm talking about points of virtue, remember, not local attractions! How challenging is it for you to hang your hat there? Do you see real hope for change? Is there anyone who would expand that list?

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Oops! I just realized that I put this in General Discussion! I intended to put it in Legal and Political, where it probably more properly belongs.
 
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Dusty Miller

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I'm a prisoner in the PRC and would give my right gonad to escape but job and family ties make that impossible. Maybe if the governor's plans for crippling the state legislature work out then things will get better.
 
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Airwolf

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I have lived off and on in the PRK (San Diego) for most of my 40-some-odd-years. The poltics suck. The entire state is the epitome of the inmates running the asylum. If you look at election results you'll see that that the SFO/LAX areas call the shots for the entire state. Leave those areas and you'll find some sensible conservatives (or at least middle of the road types) who are out voted by those living in the ant colonies.

I've vistied NYC on many occasions. I love the energy of the place (for about 4 days) and then it just becomes an insect colony to me.

I've lived in Boston for 4 months on a job assignment. Again, I love the region and the city but the opression of the Nanny State quickly overrides any love of history and the environment.

New Jersey... well, any place that you can't pump your own gas has some fundamental issues in my book. :D

Daley is nothing but a Tyrant who rules Chicago as a fifedom with his Minions controling the rest of the state. Illinois is the perfect example of when a single city and leader can manupulate and dictate for all the people in a state. The fact that they had no say in that leaders election makes it even more tragic.

Do I think things will change?

For all states execpt California, I can't see it. The fact that even the socalist idiots in this nut-house voted Grayout Davis out on his *** and put in a RINO to clean things up gives one hope.

The cops in SFO have asked for AR-15's and have been turned down, being told that fighting back against the bad guys will "just make things worse". :mad:

The "sweetheart" of the PRK, DiFi :barf: couldn't shove her AWB down the throats of Americans for a second time.

Perhaps there is some critical mass building that will lead to an implosion and a rebirth of SOME *true* common sense around here.
 
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fyrestarter

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I've lived in NY (Long Island and Queens) for about 25 of my 29 years. I spent 4 years living in Boston while in college, and about 6 months total living in Europe. Given the choice of the three, I'd be back in Europe in a heartbeat. NY is overcrowded, obnoxious, dirty, loud, and the streets teem with people who would sooner spit on you than look at you. Boston is a socialist nightmare. I had to apply for a permit to buy a hunting knife.

European cities, compared to NYC, are clean, safe, and their inhabitants relatively civilized, and don't hate Americans as much as we think they do (at least in Italy and Austria, anyway. France can be swallowed up by the ocean for all I care). Personally, I hate those people who abandon America for a "better life" in Europe, but where else am I going to go to a world-class symphony, eat in a superior restaurant, and not get mugged by some crack-head on my way home? It's either NYC or Vienna, in my book.

But to be fair, I'm inexperienced when it comes to the rest of this great country. Perhaps I can find a quasi-utopia right here in the states. Make a suggestion, folks. The only places I would never live is:
1) Anywhere that is still latently upset about the outcome of the Civil War
2) The People's Republic of Kalifornia
3) Florida, America's rest home
4) Kansas, Iowa, Idaho, or any other state that is responsible for the nation's produce. It's just too boring.

I need, at minimum, three things to make a place habitable:

1) A major league baseball team within an hour's drive
2) Water....be it lake, river or ocean
3) Gun laws that accurately reflect the Constitution, ie, concealed carry

Anyone got a suggestion? Get me out of this asphalt hell....
 
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PATH

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Pennsylvania! Good gun laws. Pittsburg and Phillie both have ball teams and you are close to major water bodies!
 
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croyance

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What is the reason for convincing you to change your mind? If you are against it, nobody will be able to give you a good reason to consider any of those places home.

On the point of having hope for change: if nobody in a locale wants change then there is certainly no hope. If somebody does and convinces others and stumps for change by any of the legitamate means, then yes, it exists. Many in India were tired of colonial rule, but there seemed to be no hope for change. Then a man from the merchant caste made the British look like idiots. It turned out that people only needed a leader and to see a way to make change happen.
 
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Bud Helms

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fyrestarter:
I need, at minimum, three things to make a place habitable:

1) A major league baseball team within an hour's drive
2) Water....be it lake, river or ocean
3) Gun laws that accurately reflect the Constitution, ie, concealed carry
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That would be Hotlanta. If you just HAVE to live in a beehive, which you seem to want.

I liked this part:
But to be fair, I'm inexperienced when it comes to the rest of this great country. Perhaps I can find a quasi-utopia right here in the states. Make a suggestion, folks.
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Then I came to this:
The only places I would never live is:
1) Anywhere that is still latently upset about the outcome of the Civil War [Don't give this too much weight in your decision. - sensop]
2) The People's Republic of Kalifornia [I agree here, but I realize I am prejudging, as you are in no.1 above - sensop]
3) Florida, America's rest home [You may REALLY be missing out on this one. Prejudice is showing again. - sensop]
4) Kansas, Iowa, Idaho, or any other state that is responsible for the nation's produce. It's just too boring. [How would you know? See comment on no. 3. - sensop]
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You've eliminated some of the best ways out of that "asphalt hell".

I got a chuckle out of this:
... where else am I going to go to a world-class symphony, eat in a superior restaurant, and not get mugged by some crack-head on my way home? It's either NYC or Vienna, in my book.
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You are kidding, right?

The bottom line seems to be to "grow where you're planted", so to speak. There is no accounting for tastes and we all have 'em. I admit, your post really made me think about some of my own prejudices about where I wouldn't live. Then I thought, "No, that's okay. If all those worker bees up in Atlanta and NYC, etc., wanted to move to a place where life is a little slower, pretty soon I'd be living in a beehive too." :D
 
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FLGunner80

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Former New Yorker

I'll put it to you this way....I've only been a Florida resident for a month and a half. I lived in Massapequa Park, NY for all of my 24 years. Being a gun enthusiast in New York is tough, and you are very restricted as to your posession and ownership of firearms. If you can leave, try. If not maybe you will be blessed with some circumstance that allows you to move to a more gun friendly location.

Tony
 
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K80Geoff

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Folks first thing you have to learn here is that New Yorkers are not normal people.

I was born & raised on Long Island and lived there untill about 18 months ago so I know what I am talking about.

The average NY'er will get panicky once they leave the "Metropolitan area" and have to deal with not having a gas sation on every corner.

God help them if they actually go on the other side of the Hudson river, this will immediatley cause them to stop every car on the road to ask directions, even if the license plate is from Illinois.

Their idea of a first class restaurant is an overpriced roach and mouse infested former horse stable with a staff full of illegals serving food of questionable sanitation. Because it is owned by a famous supermodel who never eats there, or should I say never eats, it can charge horrendous prices and turn people away at the door because they are not...well whatever they are supposed to be according to the ex con biker drug pusher acting as bouncer.

Nobody swims in the water within 100 miles of NYC, not by choice anyway, and not unless your tetanus shots are up to date.

Major ball teams, have you seen where Yankee Stadium is located??? Talk about getting mugged, try to park your car.

Museums??? Ok so you go once and see everything, than what do you do for the next 50 years?

Prejudices? Naw they don't exist in NYC. Just watch your step in Bensonhurst if you are not of italian extraction, or in parts of Brooklyn if you are not from the islands, or down by the beaches if you are not Russian etc... And I am not going to mention certain parts of the city cause I don't want to deal with the ethnic witch hunters who will be offended. Koreans, Irish, Chinese, Albanians....Albanians fer cryin out loud!

Try and find a rifle range you can actually shoot at without some 300 pound ex jarhead screaming at you for breaking some rule. You didn't know you have to leave your brass on the ground so the range can sell it back to you...get off the range, no refund!!!

The indoor pistol ranges will give you Tuberculosis if you shoot there too often.

The NIMBYS just shut down the last clays range.

I could go on like this for hours.....
 
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K80Geoff

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OK I lied, I did not spend my entire life in Long island.

Uncle Sam owned my carcass for just over seven years. I spent three of them in Europe :rolleyes:

My impressions:

Germany - beautiful country, clean, indoor plumbing, good food, beer is a cultural institution. But if you don't understand "alles in ordnung" you don't know Germans.

France - pigsty, nasty young people, bad roads and yellow headlights.

Italy - never knew what real poverty was untill I got off the autostrada, poor b astards never recovered from WW2. Never drink the water, or local wine or beer (personal experience here)

England - or is it the UK or Britain or... clean, nice people, friendly cops, subways that run on time. Great place if you are wealthy. If you are poor you end up beating the bushes to drive game to the wealthy lords who actually get to shoot it.

Scandanavia - white bread without the crust, boring as hell...no, at least hell has some excitement.


Forget about owning a gun in any of these countries, Germany is the best and you have to study and pass tests and pay a lot of money to be able to own a gun. Takes about three years for a basic license. Shooting must be a sport, you are not allowed to have fun!

The only gun you can own in Italy is a lupara, useless for anything but shooting your wife's lover.

The French still haven't figured how to pull the trigger. Their army is mostly ex cons and KBG agents out of a job.

In Scandinavia you have to deal with so many safety regulations firing one shotshell will get you six months of hard labor in the North cutting trees.

England...ah England, home of Sporting Clays and driven shoots. You can own one shotgun, but you must have a vault to keep it in and are subject to random searches by the local constabulary at 3AM.



(See sensop, I made this gun related...)


God bless Pennsylvania!!!!

Time to walk the dog, wherenhell is my Python!!!
 
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paratrooper

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Havin' growed up in Noo Yawk I speaks wit authority . The two things dat Noo Yawk gots what can't be beat is Pizza and push cart hot dogs . Oh , before youse guys in Chicago opens your pie holes like youse gots good pizza too ...... fahgettaboutit !!!
 
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JohnK

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I need, at minimum, three things to make a place habitable:

1) A major league baseball team within an hour's drive
2) Water....be it lake, river or ocean
3) Gun laws that accurately reflect the Constitution, ie, concealed carry

Anyone got a suggestion? Get me out of this asphalt hell....
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Sounds like Washington state.
1) Mariners, plus a couple minor league teams if you really like baseball
2) The sound, the ocean, a few large lakes near Seattle
3) The only requirement for CCW in Washington is $32, your fingerprints and no felonies. No tests, no classes, no gun registration.

Washington State Constitution, Article 1 section 24: RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.
 
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fyrestarter

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JohnK, it's funny you mention Washington. My girlfriend has been bugging me to go visit Seattle for the longest time (her family used to live there and she loves it). I happen to like the Mariners (well, at least when Piniella was there), but not a big fan of incessant, nagging drizzle. However, I've heard mixed tales surrounding the gun laws there. Some, like yourself, say getting a CCW is a piece of cake, but for some reason, I've heard differently (I'm not saying you're wrong, though). Know of a good website that outlines Washington State gun laws?

BTW, Geoff, I think you're closer to the truth about NYC than most would care to admit....
 
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JohnK

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If someone has had a problem getting a CCW permit in Wa they're likely either a fluke case (we are dealing with a government agency afterall, I'm sure problems do come up), or have some kind of criminal record that caused flags to go up. None of the 10-12 people that I personally know who have permits have had a problem either getting a new one or renewing an old one.

http://www.packing.org is always a good reference for gun laws. http://slc.leg.wa.gov/default.htm is another good source for searching the RCWs (regional code of washington).

The drizzle does happen, but really that's only in the winter and spring. Summer and fall are very dry, well under 1" rainfall / month during the summer months. If you can survive the winter the summer is great. :)
 
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C96

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Geoff - Thanks for the great travelogue. I haven't been to all of those places
but you got right the ones I know. :)

If you are considering the state of Washington, and it is quite nice, you might also want
to consider Oregon. We don't have big league baseball, we do have the JailBlazors.

And we do allow full auto and suppressors, if that lights your fire.

You can't pump your own gas, but that is not a sport I enjoy anyways.

allan
 
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Bud Helms

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K80Geoff,

Thanks for doing that. I just reviewed my own post for firearms content. :rolleyes:

Seriously, fyrestarter, Atlanta is an urban island unto itself here in Georgia and our CCW laws are very good. Among the best in the nation. Shall issue. $48 for the first issue (5 years) and $18 per issue after that. We can't yet carry in an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises (like a restaurant), but we are working on it.

Good luck.
 
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