High school students don't understand the 1st Amendment

tyme

Administrator
I'm sorry to say it, but this country seems to be just about done. A generation without proper education in history or civics is growing up.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01/31/students.amendment.ap/index.html
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Freedom of what?
First amendment no big deal, students say

Monday, January 31, 2005 Posted: 11:38 AM EST (1638 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The way many high school students see it, government censorship of newspapers may not be a bad thing, and flag burning is hardly protected free speech.

It turns out the First Amendment is a second-rate issue to many of those nearing their own adult independence, according to a study of high school attitudes released Monday.

The original amendment to the Constitution is the cornerstone of the way of life in the United States, promising citizens the freedoms of religion, speech, press and assembly.

Yet, when told of the exact text of the First Amendment, more than one in three high school students said it goes "too far" in the rights it guarantees. Only half of the students said newspapers should be allowed to publish freely without government approval of stories.

"These results are not only disturbing; they are dangerous," said Hodding Carter III, president of the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, which sponsored the $1 million study. "Ignorance about the basics of this free society is a danger to our nation's future."

The students are even more restrictive in their views than their elders, the study says.

When asked whether people should be allowed to express unpopular views, 97 percent of teachers and 99 percent of school principals said yes. Only 83 percent of students did.

The results reflected indifference, with almost three in four students saying they took the First Amendment for granted or didn't know how they felt about it. It was also clear that many students do not understand what is protected by the bedrock of the Bill of Rights.

Three in four students said flag burning is illegal. It's not. About half the students said the government can restrict any indecent material on the Internet. It can't.

"Schools don't do enough to teach the First Amendment. Students often don't know the rights it protects," Linda Puntney, executive director of the Journalism Education Association, said in the report. "This all comes at a time when there is decreasing passion for much of anything. And, you have to be passionate about the First Amendment."

The partners in the project, including organizations of newspaper editors and radio and television news directors, share a clear advocacy for First Amendment issues.

Federal and state officials, meanwhile, have bemoaned a lack of knowledge of U.S. civics and history among young people. Sen. Robert Byrd, D-West Virginia, has even pushed through a mandate that schools must teach about the Constitution on September 17, the date it was signed in 1787.

The survey, conducted by researchers at the University of Connecticut, is billed as the largest of its kind. More than 100,000 students, nearly 8,000 teachers and more than 500 administrators at 544 public and private high schools took part in early 2004.

The study suggests that students embrace First Amendment freedoms if they are taught about them and given a chance to practice them, but schools don't make the matter a priority.

Students who take part in school media activities, such as student newspapers or TV production, are much more likely to support expression of unpopular views, for example.

About nine in 10 principals said it is important for all students to learn some journalism skills, but most administrators say a lack of money limits their media offerings.

More than one in five schools offer no student media opportunities; of the high schools that do not offer student newspapers, 40 percent have eliminated them in the last five years.

"The last 15 years have not been a golden era for student media," said Warren Watson, director of the J-Ideas project at Ball State University in Indiana. "Programs are under siege or dying from neglect. Many students do not get the opportunity to practice our basic freedoms."
 

Baxter

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Is this really all that suprising knowing that student's dont have equal rights on school campus, including freedom of speech, and search/siezure rights?
 

IZinterrogator

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Well, if the schools made them study their rights, they might demand them, which would take power away from the administrators. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 

1BadF350

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First, flag burning SHOULD BE illegal, so I'm with them on that.

Second, I wish people would show as much concern about the 2nd amendment!!!
 

Marko Kloos

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I disagree.

Flag burning is a form of political speech, and ought to be protected, especially because it is so loathsome to so many people. If you do not extend freedom of speech to even the most extreme forms of it, it doesn't exist for the rest of us.

Speech like "I love America", and "Apple pie tastes great" does not need First Amendment protection.

Besides, a law against flag burning would be totally unenforceable. Burning is the proper method of disposal for an old and unserviceable flag. And what about all those little paper flags that litter the streets after Independence Day parades?

I do wish people would be concerned about the entire Bill of Rights, not just the amendments they like.
 

Lord_Nikon

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Agreement on the flag burning issue, it has to remain legal. I also think that there needs to be a H**L of a lot more instruction for students about their rights. I think it's horrible that all most kids know regarding their rights is "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".
 

bikenjam

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although i did just graduate, i resent that. Also, i'm sorry to say, many of my classmates were ignorant enough to have that same thinking. Unless something effects them directly, they would not do any thing or take a stand on anything. well, i'll stop there before i start going off.
 

Gypsy

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To be honest, I don't remember directly studying the Constitution OR the Bill of Rights in ANY of my classes in grade school, high school, or college. :confused:

We were told how they came about, and in general what they meant, but not one teacher bothered to break down every single Right and explain how it directly impacted US. That, I had to learn on my own. :rolleyes:
 

bikenjam

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I just had a general government class that was required in a high school of about 200 students from 9-12. the teacher broke down the amendments fairly well. I just a had a american government class in college last semester that explianed them very well. I'm not one to like school at all, but that college class gave me a much better understand on our government. I still can't believe how unbiased my teacher was on presenting just about every issue. It was nice to have a teacher explain the material and not use her position to force her beliefs on the students.
 
5th grade is the LATEST kids should learn about our form of Government!

I was in honor classes(now called ap) and still don't remember being taught about anything substantial regarding gov. until Highschool.... :(
I definitely agree children in highschool need to be treated more like the adults we want them to be....Mock votes for every race and poll that occurs in that district during the year. Protect the students right to protest and demand fair treatment. If you guys haven't been there recently the schools are as bad as prison in some places...and teachers feel more like they watch kids as wardens rather than instill principles, american values, and educate.
 

PsychoSword

Moderator
This is supposed to be a surprise....how many high school students can't even read or write decent? It's just another of the calculated by-products of socialist, zero-tolerance government slaverooms.. er I man classrooms.
 

sleeping dog

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Ok, they don't understand the first amendment. How many of us understand all ten?

I sort of have a grasp of 1, 2, 4, and some of 5. The rest are fuzzy.

Which ones do you know about? No cheating, now. No Googling.

:)

Regards
 

joab

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Is it that they don't understand the constitution or that they did not understand the question.
Or perhaps the question was worded in such a way that yes meant no, unless you read it carefully
 

k_dawg

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the problem with the Bill of Rights are.. in actuality, the "plain language meaning" has very little relevent of today. So, unless you have substantial legal training, what you THINK it means can be almost the oppostife of how, in enforcement, it is.


i.e. shall not be infringed. means thousands upon thousands of laws, statutes, legal interpretations and case law, all that infringe and regulate
 

alan

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And these would be the future leaders of the nation, some of them anyhow?

As my late grandmpother was wont to note, OY VEY IS MERE!!!!
 

bikenjam

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not to dissagree with K_dawg, or sound like an anti-gunner, but the states do have the legal right to regulate arms. Not the central government like they currently do. "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State.....

by the way, i was listening to Paul Harvey a few days ago and in some state they outlawed people from puting "john 3 16" on license plates becuase it is a violation of Church and state. (Although it doesn't say that in the constitution, just shall not prohibit nor establish . or somthing like that) Also, someone was forced to remove a "support or troops" bumper sticker for some stupid reason from the state that i can't even remember.

"Some people are only alive becuase its illegal to kill them"
 

jefnvk

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Let me throw another idea into the mix: the results are not accurate.

You try to get an hoest survey out of high school kids. It can't be done. It was more fun for us to give absurd fake answers than the real answers. You wouldn't believe the drugs and alcohol I did in 7th grade (At least, that's what the surveyors must have been thinking). I remember one time the whole class messing with the results. Teacher didn't even care.
 
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