H335 with cast loads in 45-70

[Wendyj]

Anyone got an older load book for a 400 grain gas checked cast bullet for a Marlin 1895. Picked up a lb verses h322 by mistake. Lyman 50th no loads. Hodgdon nothing. I’m thinking Lyman 47th May have had some from what I’ve googled.

 

[ocharry]

hi Wendy,,,i have some data on the h322 powder,,,,says it is for heavy loads for ruger and marlin 1895 rifles ONLY

i cant post a pic here but if you pm me with your email i will take a pic of the page and send it

for the 385-405 bullets it is saying h322 min load is 50.0 gr @1750,,,,max is 54.0@1852

looks like that powder can be used for 300gr bullets all the way too 500gr,,,,

hope this helps you out

ocharry

 

[Wendyj]

I appreciate that. I’ve got books with lots of loads for h322. Only load for h335 was in a Lee manual and it’s a 300 javcketed.

 

[Dufus]

CAUTION: The following post includes load data generated by calculation in QuickLOAD software based on a particular powder lot, the assumption the primer is as mild as possible, and assumptions about component, chamber and gun geometry that may not correspond well to what you have. Such data should be approached by working up from published starting loads. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL, nor QuickLOAD's author nor its distributor assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information or information derived from it.


Cartridge : .45-70 Govt. CIP
Bullet : .457, 405, LEE 457-405-F
Useable Case Capaci: 55.130 grain H2O = 3.580 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length : 18.5 inch = 469.9 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H335


Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !


Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms


-20.0 72 39.94 1349 1638 15820 3415 75.0 1.875
-18.0 74 40.93 1386 1727 16887 3556 76.6 1.817
-16.0 76 41.93 1422 1820 18021 3697 78.2 1.762
-14.0 77 42.93 1459 1915 19226 3837 79.7 1.709
-12.0 79 43.93 1496 2013 20507 3975 81.1 1.658
-10.0 81 44.93 1533 2114 21870 4112 82.6 1.609
-08.0 83 45.93 1570 2218 23320 4247 83.9 1.562
-06.0 85 46.92 1608 2324 24861 4379 85.3 1.517
-04.0 86 47.92 1645 2433 26507 4509 86.5 1.474
-02.0 88 48.92 1682 2546 28260 4636 87.8 1.432 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 90 49.92 1720 2660 30130 4759 88.9 1.392 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 92 50.92 1758 2778 32127 4878 90.1 1.353 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 94 51.92 1795 2898 34260 4994 91.1 1.315 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 95 52.92 1833 3021 36541 5105 92.1 1.279 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 97 53.91 1871 3147 38984 5211 93.1 1.244 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 99 54.91 1908 3275 41601 5312 94.0 1.210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!


Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 90 49.92 1836 3032 36630 4974 95.9 1.278 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 90 49.92 1579 2243 24418 4320 78.8 1.536


The text in red is where I found my accuracy node....47.5 gr. H335 with the 405 gr bullet.

 

[Wendyj]

That should work. I use NOE mold 460-390. Sized to .459 for my rifle. Bullets usually cast at around 385-388 grains an gas checked. Also water quenched.
Are you shooting out of a Marlin? I got a friend that loves this powder but he shoots a 485 grain out of a Ruger #1.

 

[ocharry]

sorry wendy i misread what you wanted,,,

yeah got that info for h335 too

it is 54gr@1666fps- 58gr@1780fps

same page as before,,,HEAVY LOADS for ruger or Marlin Model 1895 ONLY

can still send you the page if you want it

my bad,,,,lol,,,,not as good at multitasking i guess as i used to be,,,lol

ocharry

 

[Dufus]

The powder works really good with the heavy bullets, but I have only used it with the 405 & 500 grain bullets.

I do not have a Marlin 1895. I have a Henry H010CC.

Also, if you have accuracy problems, try magnum primers.

 

[Wendyj]

It would be great if someone had a screen shot of the page from whatever manual you are using. 400 grain or 405 grain. I pretty much have to work from there to find the load.

 

[Unclenick]

WendyJ,

Ocharry's loads are on Hodgdon's web site. Use the 45-70 Lever Rifle category. Screen shots are not permitted here because of the board policy on posting copyrighted material, but I can direct it to you the data at another site, like the Hodgdon site.


Dufus,

Thanks for contributing. Your loads turned out to be under published loads in this instance, but please note that when a caution or non-published warning is needed, the board requires you to copy and past the warning in the sticky at the top of the forum rather than wording your own. Your cooperation is appreciated.

Thanks,
Nick

 

[ocharry]

my older load manuals are Hodgdon no.25 and 26,,,,that data is in both of them

and like nick said i'm sure its on their web site


i can still send a pic of the page if you want

ocharry

 

[Dufus]

Dufus,

Thanks for contributing. Your loads turned out to be under published loads in this instance, but please note that when a caution or non-published warning is needed, the board requires you to copy and past the warning in the sticky at the top of the forum rather than wording your own. Your cooperation is appreciated.

I apologize, Sir. I added it simply because the last several sets of data ARE out of bounds with safe load data.