Grandfather killed by cops; Y2K funds seized as Drug Money!

Dennis Olson

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UNBELIEVABLE!

(The link is to yesterday's "Top Story", and is invalid now...)
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Thursday, August 26, 1999, By ANNE-MARIE O'CONNOR, Times Staff Writer

Bereft Family Disputes Police Shooting Report

It was an hour before midnight when an El Monte police SWAT team, serving a search warrant as part of a broad-ranging narcotics investigation, undertook what it called the "high-risk entry" of a Compton home--shooting the locks off the front and back doors.

Their warrant, which named no one in the Paz home, says police expected to find marijuana and cash belonging to a suspected member of a drug ring who had allegedly used the house as a mail drop. They found no drugs, but in the course of the search they shot a retired grandfather twice in the back--killing him.

The widow was hustled out of the house in nothing but panties, a towel and plastic handcuffs.

She and six others were later taken away and intensively interrogated, but no one was charged. Ten thousand dollars in cash was seized as evidence, along with a .22-caliber rifle and three pistols, according to investigators for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The family said that the money was patriarch Mario Paz's life savings and that he kept firearms for protection in the high-crime neighborhood.

El Monte police, who obtained the search warrant and conducted the Aug. 9 raid, said they were using standard procedure for dangerous places where they fear officers will be fired on. A sheriff's investigator said the El Monte officer shot Paz because he thought he was reaching for a weapon--something Paz's widow, Maria Luisa, adamantly denies.

Now the six children of Mario Paz--a grandfather of 14 who would have turned 65 this week--are demanding to know why the police burst into the home while the family was sleeping. And what were El Monte police doing in Compton?

The arrest warrant said the Paz home was considered high-risk because high-powered rifles were found in a search of another home linked to the suspect. And El Monte police say their aggressive anti-drug strategy commonly prompts them to serve search warrants as far afield as Riverside, San Diego and San Bernardino.

"We go all over. Anything related to our town we go out and get," said El Monte Police Sgt. Steve Krigbaum, the head of the force's Narcotics Policing Division.

"If we can show it directly impacts narco activity here, we'll go after it," he said. Brian Dunn, the lawyer representing the Pazes, said the officers should have known the family did not pose a threat.

"They fired shotguns through doors and windows as people were sleeping," Dunn said. "The tactics in this case were beyond merely reckless. I don't think there's anything [the family] could have done to prevent [Mario Paz] from getting killed. This was no different than a home invasion, in terms of what happened to the family."

'It Was Like War,' Neighbor Says

Family members said they believed that a robbery was in progress when they heard the shooting. Sheriff's investigators say El Monte police shot the locks off the front and back doors to the house, shot a "diversionary device" into a back bedroom window that illuminated it, and threw a so-called flash-bang grenade on the ground behind the house. Neighbors said they awoke with a jolt when they heard the shooting.

"It was like war," said Luz Escamilla, who lives next door.

El Monte Police Lt. Craig Sperry, commander of the Special Emergency Response Team that carried out the operation, said up to 20 El Monte officers were involved in the raid. He said he could not comment on specific tactics used that night because of the possibility of litigation. He said Compton police, who have refused all comment, were also at the scene.

However, Sperry said, "We always announce, 'El Monte police. Open the door.' "

El Monte Assistant Police Chief Bill Ankeny said an explosive entry is a standard SWAT procedure and can involve opening a door with a battering ram or a round of gunfire.

"We throw flash-bang grenades. We bust open the doors. You've seen it on TV," Ankeny said. "We do bang on the door and make an announcement--'It's the police'--but it kind of runs together. If you're sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down."

Sleeping on their couch, the Paz family said, was David Martinez, 63, a convalescing friend. He was unhurt.

Until the raid occurred, the family said, they had been resting after a routine Monday.

Maria Luisa Paz, 51, said her husband, a Mexican immigrant, had been driven to Tijuana for doctor's appointments that morning. She showed a reporter his purchases of medicine prescribed for his heart condition, prostate ailment, and back problems from a 1985 on-the-job injury.

She said he also emptied his Tijuana bank account of more than $10,000 in savings, fearing that the money could be lost to the much-publicized computer complications that some people are afraid will occur Jan. 1. She showed a reporter the bank receipt for the withdrawal.

Mario took his medicine at 8 p.m. and went to bed, she said.

El Monte police showed up about 11 p.m., according to Sheriff's Lt. Marilyn Baker, who is conducting the standard investigation into the officer-involved shooting. Myrna Serrano, 44, a friend of the family who lives in a converted garage at the front of the house, said she awoke to gunfire.

"I didn't even hear them say they were police," said Serrano, an employee at an art frame factory. "I thought they were thieves coming to rob us. I never dreamed they would be police busting into the house in camouflage and hoods."

Maria Argueta, who works as a nanny in Manhattan Beach, awoke in a back bedroom to the flash-bang grenade and screamed, "Don't kill me," the family said.

By that time, Maria Luisa Paz said, she may have heard officers yelling "search warrant," but "I had no idea who they were. They didn't show badges or anything at all. I yelled to my husband, 'Get on the ground! We're being robbed.' "

She said she got on the floor in her panties while her husband got his $10,000 from under the bed and put the money and his hands on the bed.

At this point, Sheriff's Lt. Baker said, two El Monte officers entered Mario and Maria Luisa's bedroom while six others searched the rest of the house.

Conflicting Accounts of Patriarch's Actions

The officers said they ordered the couple--in Spanish and English--to show their hands, according to Baker. The lieutenant said Mario Paz "appeared to be reaching for something, and believing him to be arming himself, the officer fired two rounds . . . striking Mr. Paz in the back."

His widow described the scene differently:

"They yelled and yelled. I said, 'My husband is sick! He's an old man!' I grabbed [the officer's] leg," she recalled. "[The officer] just pointed the gun at my husband and shot."

She said the officer, wearing a mask, "just looked at me." Then another officer came in and ordered her in Spanish to "get up and put something on," she said.

As police hustled her outside, someone handed her a towel that she draped across her chest. Sheriff's investigators said two of the pistols were in a drawer on the floor near Mario and a third was in a bureau drawer with the rifle.

Maria Luisa was allowed to dress before she was put into a mini-van, where she found that her great-nephew, Juan Carlos Mechaca, had been handcuffed when he got home from practicing with his band. His mother, Leonela Ramos, Mario Paz's niece, had been detained when she got home from her night shift at a credit card factory. Maria Luisa's son Jorge, 20, a computer drafter for a Norwalk firm who had been in another bedroom when the raid occurred, was also handcuffed. Altogether, seven people were taken to the Compton Police Department for questioning by El Monte police and Los Angeles County sheriff's investigators.

Though they stayed until dawn, the Paz family said they were never read their rights. Sheriff's Lt. Baker said that was because the family was not under arrest--they were detained as witnesses to the shooting.

"They were not [detained as] suspects," Baker said. "They were taken in as witnesses to the officer-involved shooting. Witnesses do not get read their Miranda rights. People can be detained in handcuffs for safekeeping."

But Jorge Paz said one sheriff's investigator "asked if my dad sold drugs or ever had a problem with anybody. I said, 'No, no.' My dad didn't even want us to smoke or drink. He wanted us all to go to school. He was a good man."

The drug suspect named in the warrant is Marcos Beltran Lizarraga. The Paz family said that he lived next door in the early 1980s, that Mario sold him a car six years or so ago and that he occasionally used the Pazes' mailing address. The family said that they sometimes would mark the mail "return to sender" but that on other occasions their father gave it to Beltran's nephew.

Mario Paz was pronounced dead at 11:29 p.m. at Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center, according to the county coroner's office.

At the time he died, he was planning to sell his house and move to Colorado, according to Mario Paz Jr., 31, a computer operations supervisor for the Denver office of a California HMO. "This was a real shock," he said.

El Monte Assistant Chief Ankeny said his department has begun an internal investigation. He said two officers were placed on routine administrative leave after the shooting but have since returned to work.

"Obviously, the officer who killed the person actually felt he was being threatened," he said. John Bellizzi, director of the International Narcotics Enforcement Assn. in Albany, N.Y., said surprise is an essential element in getting evidence for SWAT team raids. Because of the danger of fighting drug dealers, officers "have to take serious precautions to safeguard their lives, and sometimes unforeseen things happen. It's unavoidable sometimes. These drug dealers are better equipped sometimes than the police are."

But David Lynn, a private investigator assigned to the case, said: "Even if this guy was the 'Godfather,' that would not justify the level of violence used in this search."

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How could the police see the grandfather reaching for something, yet SHOOT HIM IN THE BACK? Robbery under color of authority, if you ask me. (I mean, do you think they'll ever get that money back?)

How long before OTHER Y2K preparers get that bang, um, KNOCK, at their doors?

"Remember Waco" will eventually become as much a part of American lore as "Remember the Alamo" is today. ANYONE that breaks down my door will be dealt with. Period.

Dennis
 

TheBluesMan

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I posted on this topic this morning also over on General Discussion. http://www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=32492
Your article has much more information than the one that I cited. It sounds even worse for the cops in this story. Sounds like they had real itchy trigger fingers to me.


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Destructo6

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Sounds like some of the "boys in blue" need to become "boys in blue and white stripes."

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Futo Inu

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That is so totally outrageous it defies description. Speak of the devil (thread on beating the SWAT team, etc.). Well, it has come to pass. This is nothing short of Gestapo tactics, and is utterly wrong, wrong, wrong. I cannot believe the arrogance of the dept's chief in making those comments. His family should get the money back, and sue for millions and millions. If the facts are as presented here, and his family doesn't recover at least 10-25 million for wrongful death, then our country is in serious shambles.

So the "announcement" is a shotgun blast to the front door lock. I guess we're all supposed to read that as meaning "police". Even if they old man WAS reaching for a gun, there is absolutely NOTHING to show (so far) that he was ever told they were police; therefore reaching for a gun is 100% justified as self-defense. He couldn't see them if his back was to them. He was only told to put his hands in the air - not at all unusual for robbers to say. There is testimony that there was no audible announcement - this is B f'ing S!!!! Freakin dang Nazis. That officer should be fired, fined, and jailed for a few years, and the police official that authorized the raid should be publicly hanged.

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Daren Thompson

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FIRING INTO A DOOR TO OPEN IT????? THIS IS SOP????? I can think of nothing more idiotic for a law enforcement agency to do. Where is inocent until proven guilty? Out the window just like the rest of the Bill of Rights. Reminds me of the Simpson's gun episode where Homer uses his gun to shut off the TV, turn out the lights, ect. Just what we need Homer the LEO who opens doors with his firearm. Sheesh
Later
Daren
 

Jeff Thomas

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Daren, one of our LEO friends may correct me, but as I recall you can use 'breaching' rounds in a shotgun to open a door. I believe these are designed to prevent or minimize injury to any nearby occupants, but still open the door. Saw it on a Gunsite tape I think.

I've posted elsewhere on this, and I am equally and absolutely disgusted by this behavior. But what can be done - it appears the majority of our citizens are happy as clams to have all the 'benefits' of a 'drug war'. What horse puckie.
 

George Hill

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Should we disarm the Police?
Geez... this and the money thread... Ugly.
Just Ugly..

I can understand special HRT units - They rescue people from dangerous nutters.

This is beyond understanding.
What do we have in place as a Check and Balance against the POLICE? The COURTS? They almost always nod twards the badges.

We need a ZORRO...

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Byron Quick

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I would like to hear the professionals defend this one if the facts are indeed as reported.
Anyone want to take bets that nothing is done to the killer? Or the idiot that authorized the raid on the basis of that "intelligence."

But, of course, they have the need to use tactics such as this for their personal safety and to safeguard evidence. If the odd innocent party is killed now and then, well, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
 

George Hill

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We are always hearing about 2 things from Police Officers.
1. Liability.
2. Officer Safety.

Well I am impressed - All the talk has worked. They no longer care about Liability, and Officer safety is more important than the safety of the innocent.



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Grayfox

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Unbelievable! Outragous! Government ninjas strike again!
And the worst part is that its all about MONEY! These a$$h@les don't give a damn about catching BGs, they just want to confiscate the loot.
Just what were these guys doing outside their jurisdiction anyway? Did they notify the local LE? I live in a small town and we have two detectives that don't do anything but go to the neighboring towns to serve warrents and make arrests. But our guys always go in the daytime and ALWAYS have local LE with them. Who the hell do these jerks think they are? The local mayor and chief of police aught to be raising fourteen kinds of hell over this.
 

PRKunderground

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mabye someday soon, some brave group of people will stage a raid on the El Monte P.D. SWAT HQ.
Suicide? Maybe. Justifiable? Definately.
 

George Hill

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It's only sucide if the dont do it right...

First you fire the officers that did the shooting. Second, you fire the commanders and captians... Then You make them PUBLICLY appoligize. Criminal trials as needed. Then Make the city PAY BIG BUCKS to the family. MULTIPLE MILLIONS.
3 million for hot coffee spills?
This should set the family up for the rest of there lives - Oh, and a restraining order on all police to keep them away from there new house.

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bruels

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The shooting took place in Compton, CA. There were Compton officers present, but like the tar baby, they say nothing and Br'er Rabbit, he lay low.
 

DHH

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Isn't this the behavior our government condemned in South and Central America?

Armed, masked squads entering homes in the dead of night and killing and/or removing the occupents and confiscating property?

Corrupt politicians taking money from foreign and/or illegal sources?

Judges meeting secretly for unknown purposes?

Disarming the populace?

Attempted control of major information sources?

These are all covered in topics posted to this board. Does anyone truly believe that our country has not become "third world"?


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Shotgun

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This is a perfect example of why I am so dead set against the no knock entry procedure. It should be outlawed and never by allowed FOR ANY REASON.

I posted this on another thread, and got replys that it is being misused, but should be reserved only for extreme cases. Baloney. Pretty soon everything will become an extreme case.
 

TEX

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It should be obvious what needs to be done to curb these type of killings. No-Knock warrants need to be completely and total outlawed. I don't give a rats rear end how much good law enforcement says they do, they have been badly abused. I would rather see 100 drugs dealers flush their goods than 1 innocent person lose his life to these gestapo tactics. Many folks think these late night no-knock assualts are really needed, but they rarely really are necessary and as long as they exist you are in that lottery to be mistankenly raided whether you like it or not and whether you did nothing or not. What ever happened to Peace Officers? The militarization of law enforcement organizations is a VERY VERY BAD MOVE IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. Protection, I understand, not being outgunned I understand. This kind of crap, I don't understand. These type raids NEVER EVER allow enough time for the police to be identified and any sane person's god given normal reaction to a late night assualt, and that's what they are assualts, is to defend ones self. This same kind of mindset is what precipitated Ruby Ridge, Waco and many not so publisized other screw ups. And remember, as wrong as it was, if there had not been a Waco, there would not have been an Oklahoma City. :(
 

Jeff White

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There is no defending this. I'd be interested to know what evidence they had linking this family to the drug dealer.

Let's not forget the judge when we look for cuplability. A judge supposedly looked at the evidence and weighed all of the legal and Constitutional issues before he/she signed the warrant. This is the check and balance the system provides to keep this from happening.

Perhaps it's time to declare victory in the drug war and go home. I think I'll start a separate thread on that very subject.

BTW this is the very thing my agency tries to avoid, not just the shooting, but the whole storm trooper image thing.
Jeff
 

bruels

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There are tame, lazy judges everywhere who will sign search warrants without really reading the application for & affidavit in support of a warrant.


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