What does everyone think about the F2000? Any first-hand experience with this rifle? Any unique facts or info about this weapon? Basically anything goes in this thread, all long as it doesn't turn into just a 5.7X28 debate, or some philisophical discussion exclusively devoted to the P90.
As many of you may know, the civilian versions of the FN f2000 and the P90 will be available by December of this year. I alread y have my FS2000 on pre-order at Impact Guns. With this in mind, it would be valuable to consider the useful applications of these weapons in civilian terms. It seems that with proper practice/training the F2000 could function as a decent PDW when used with low-recoil/low-velocity ammo for home-defense purposes.
The F2000 is very compact for a 16" barrel carbine (actually 15.75").
The civilian version, or the "FS2000" will have a 17.75" barrel like the one below.
The OD green actually looks better than the pictures shows (the lighting in these pictures sucks: I have seen much better). Although, it is pretty ugly compared to the original black. It also seems shinier. I talked to Rick Demilt about this, and he told me that FN decided that the media is all too familiar with (scary looking) black guns, and that now they can have a chance to talk about green guns. I think that this is a good tactic to avoid all the mudslinging from the uneducated sheeple who get their information about guns from Hollywood. It is amazing how many people associate "black" with "evil weapons" nowadays. Green appears more innocuous and less stereotyped. The look of a gun definitely effects what people infer about that particular weapon's purpose or intended application.
But many people might say, "Isn’t the P90 a superior weapon for the PDW role?" Perhaps as far as deployment and tactical maneuverability are concerned. I just don't think that I could trust the 5.7X28mm to my life without a SWAT team, tactical assessment, and the element of surprise to back me up. In a 'personal defense' situation, instant incapacitation is paramount. Besides, most burglars and assailants are encountered in such close quarters that an ss192 (30gr @ 2200fps?) might not incapacitate quickly enough to prevent the armed criminal from doing considerable damage to persons and/or property. The 5.7 round is the topic of much debate, but if you can handle the size of the f2000, why not choose it? Sure, if I needed a weapon that I could easily hide in a long coat because I was either James Bond or a crazed bank robber, I wouldn't hesitate to choose the P90. But as a civilian, what situation could be envisaged where I would need a weapon that was smaller than the f2000, but not as concealable as a pistol? Certainly if open carry was more culturally acceptable in most areas, I could see the convenience of toting along my trusty little P90. But realistically, most people aren't willing to put up with the pethora of negative attention that carrying unconcealed where I live (Washington) would instigate. So I just figure that a concealed pistol could be my sidearm, and an f2000 could function as my home-defense or wilderness weapon.
The F2000 also seems a cogent candidate for Covert Ops/Special Forces applications. Although I personally haven't heard of any agency adopting this weapon as of yet. Does anyone know why?
As many of you may know, the civilian versions of the FN f2000 and the P90 will be available by December of this year. I alread y have my FS2000 on pre-order at Impact Guns. With this in mind, it would be valuable to consider the useful applications of these weapons in civilian terms. It seems that with proper practice/training the F2000 could function as a decent PDW when used with low-recoil/low-velocity ammo for home-defense purposes.
The F2000 is very compact for a 16" barrel carbine (actually 15.75").
The civilian version, or the "FS2000" will have a 17.75" barrel like the one below.
The OD green actually looks better than the pictures shows (the lighting in these pictures sucks: I have seen much better). Although, it is pretty ugly compared to the original black. It also seems shinier. I talked to Rick Demilt about this, and he told me that FN decided that the media is all too familiar with (scary looking) black guns, and that now they can have a chance to talk about green guns. I think that this is a good tactic to avoid all the mudslinging from the uneducated sheeple who get their information about guns from Hollywood. It is amazing how many people associate "black" with "evil weapons" nowadays. Green appears more innocuous and less stereotyped. The look of a gun definitely effects what people infer about that particular weapon's purpose or intended application.
But many people might say, "Isn’t the P90 a superior weapon for the PDW role?" Perhaps as far as deployment and tactical maneuverability are concerned. I just don't think that I could trust the 5.7X28mm to my life without a SWAT team, tactical assessment, and the element of surprise to back me up. In a 'personal defense' situation, instant incapacitation is paramount. Besides, most burglars and assailants are encountered in such close quarters that an ss192 (30gr @ 2200fps?) might not incapacitate quickly enough to prevent the armed criminal from doing considerable damage to persons and/or property. The 5.7 round is the topic of much debate, but if you can handle the size of the f2000, why not choose it? Sure, if I needed a weapon that I could easily hide in a long coat because I was either James Bond or a crazed bank robber, I wouldn't hesitate to choose the P90. But as a civilian, what situation could be envisaged where I would need a weapon that was smaller than the f2000, but not as concealable as a pistol? Certainly if open carry was more culturally acceptable in most areas, I could see the convenience of toting along my trusty little P90. But realistically, most people aren't willing to put up with the pethora of negative attention that carrying unconcealed where I live (Washington) would instigate. So I just figure that a concealed pistol could be my sidearm, and an f2000 could function as my home-defense or wilderness weapon.
The F2000 also seems a cogent candidate for Covert Ops/Special Forces applications. Although I personally haven't heard of any agency adopting this weapon as of yet. Does anyone know why?
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