Flying to TX. What to take for defense?

I have a CCW that is valid in TX, but I don't think i want to hassle with checking the firearm at the airport, etc. I have never done that before. Maybe you can talk me into it. I'm a little concerned that TSA employees must be able to open my gun box. I hear they have a bad reputation for sticky fingers.

However, what are some other self defense weapons I should put in my checked luggage and what should I avoid? I check TSA's web page already.

ie: What types of OC sprays can I check in? Recommend any?

ie: Kubaton?

ie: Knife?

ie: Tactical light

I will be in Beaumont, TX. Nice neighborhood? I hear....not so much.
A certain group of folks may not like the fact that I'm in town. This is why I'm trying to prepare for the unlikely event of attack.
 

Doc Intrepid

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Nimrod,

Flying with a handgun in checked baggage is not that large a hassle - to some extent it depends on the airport you are flying OUT of.

For example, Denver Int'l Airport is the only one (in my experience) that requires you to have your baggage put on a cart and taken over a special TSA office in a remote corner of the airport, where your suitcase is run through an x-ray machine and a sticker applied to the suitcase. Not challenging - but it takes more TIME.

One other airport - possibly Knoxville? - also has the bag x-rayed out front - e.g. before you turn it in, but the process is real simple - roll your bag over to the station, they run it through, you can see the outline of the pistol on the monitor ('yup, thats a pistol'...), and you go turn the suitcase in at the TSP baggage counter. Again, it just takes an extra 20 minutes or more of time.

The rest don't - declare it, turn your bag in at the counter, and go.

All the other airports that I've gone through with a firearm in checked baggage are much easier. Two simple rules:
1. Know the rules. Make sure you have followed the rules.
2. Add a minimum of 45 minutes... better add an hour. You may not need it, but - especially when flying with a firearm, its better to be an hour early than 10 minutes late. So, instead of getting to the airport 1.5 hours early, get to the airport 2.5 hours early. So what. If all goes smooth you'll get through security and have a coffee.

In all cases the rules are pretty simple, and they appear here:

http://www.delta.com/traveling_chec...agile_bulky/sporting_goods/index.jsp#shooting

(Scroll down to "Shooting equipment". This is Delta's but most airline's are pretty similar and can be found on each airline's webpage.)

TSA rules appear here:

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

This is not rocket science:

* Make sure your handgun and all magazines are unloaded. Do not pack a loaded handgun or loaded magazines.

* The handgun must be transported in a locked, hard-sided case. (Not a zippered suede handgun rug). A sturdy case. It must be hard-sided. It must lock. DO NOT put either a TSA padlock or have TSA locks on the hard case. Regular Master padlocks will work fine, key or combo. Here is an example (this one is aluminum, but sturdy polymer cases will also work):
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...&parentType=index&indexId=cat20772&hasJS=true

* Put the locked pistolcase inside a hard-sided suitcase. I use a Samsonite hard-sided suitcase, but there are others.

(Hint: Buy the ones that are guaranteed for 10 years. Putting a pistol case and ammunition inside it is going to add weight, which will eventually mash out the corners of the suitcase...when you take this battered mashed-up POS to the store you bought it from, they scratch their heads and give you a new one. Don't ask me how I know this.)

* When you go to the ticket agent, simply say "I have a firearm in checked baggage, and need to fill out an orange tag". They will hand you an orange tag. Fill it out and sign it. Show it to them. They will tell you to put the orange tag inside your suitcase. Do so, then lock your suitcase. (Your suitcase SHOULD have TSA locks on it, or TSA might use a crowbar on it to open it and dork it up. Don't ask me how I know this.)

* To recap: Pistol case - hard-sided, locked, NOT with TSA locks -- Suitcase - hard-sided, locked, WITH TSA locks. TSA will look inside your suitcase, but they should not look inside your pistol case. (Instead, they should x-ray the entire bag and place a sticker on it.)

* Ammunition MUST be packed in the original box it was sold in. NOT in ziplock baggies, or those nifty little aftermarket plastic boxes. Factory ammo in the original factory box. There is a limit as to how much you can carry, but you don't care much, because the charge for overweight baggage is so outrageous that you're not going to carry that much in your suitcase anyway.

* Final hint: Each suitcase can only weight 50 lbs. If you have more than that, you have 2 options - either (a) take a second suitcase; or (b) pay a small fortune in overweight baggage fees. (No kidding - like $160 or more.) Weigh your suitcases in advance, so you are not the guy with your suitcase opened at the ticket counter trying desparately to repack your underwear and dop kit into your carry-on to make the 50 lb limit. [This is not tough. Stand on bathroom scale. Note weight. Grab suitcase. Stand on bathroom scale. Note weight. Subtract the first number from the second..... etc.]

So, traveling with a firearm requires some reading, some comprehension, some basic pre-planning, and some getting to the airport extra early. If you want a firearm where you're going, however, and you can legally possess it at your destination, then it isn't that difficult to take it there in your checked baggage.

Aside from a firearm, you should never travel without a small flashlight (in case you have issues with a rental car at night) and either a Swiss Army knife or a multi-tool (to open beer bottles with). As for the rest of it, its just weight and crap you don't need - and while the airlines may allow you to take an unloaded firearm in checked baggage, don't try that with a cylinder of compressed gas (OC pepper spray) or combustible items/butane lighters, etc. They get much more serious about those things than they do about unloaded firearms.

Hope this helps,

Doc
 
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chris in va

New member
It's much easier than it sounds. Takes but a few minutes at the counter, done. If you have all your ducks in a row everything goes smoothly.

Really more than anything, you need to check the airline's travel regulations regarding firearms. They all have subtle differences. Don't be nervous, the TSA agents do this hundreds of times (as one agent informed me). Don't be put off by the counterperson getting nervous, it's to be expected.

One newbie agent thought I was LEO and handed me a form for carrying on board the aircraft. Chuckling a little I handed it back to him and asked for a TSA agent who handled everything professionally.
 

Ridge_Runner_5

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Put the gun in a hard case. You will be the only person with a key to that case.

It is checked in with TSA when you check your bags. So there will be a record of you having a firearm when you board the plane.
 

Glenn Dee

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The other thing is.... make sure that your authorized to posses the firearm at your destination. Soon as you collect your baggage local laws are in effect.
 

Mike Faires

Moderator
Why not just ship it to your destination (Hotel)/ (Office). It is there when you arrive. Then ship it home when you leave.
 

Doc Intrepid

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Emphasize "reading" and "comprehension"...

Nimrod,

You use TSA locks on the suitcase.

You do NOT use TSA locks on the pistolcase.

Click on the links and read them.

From the TSA website linked above:

"A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you"...

"We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft."

Some TSA guys may ask to see your firearm. Most won't. It's not consistent from airport to airport. Occasionally it isn't consistent from time to time at the same airport. So its unpredictable, which is why you need to leave yourself more time.

Make sense?
 

doh_312

New member
You are the only one who gets a key to open your gun box. TSA or any other employee are not allowed axcess to the firearm. Your lock, your key.

My wife just went through this process, it was our first time transporting a firearm through the air. It really was painless for her. We bought a sturdy gun box, and cable locked it to the frame inside her luggage. Placed her unloaded firearm, empty mags, and a box of amo in the box and locked it.
It is against Federal Law for any tags, labels or stickers to be attached to the suitcase denoting it has a firearm inside.

She flew out of DIA, to Phenix AZ, and back. No problems either direction. Fill out a little card declaring your firearm at the desk, employees were fine with it. They stick the completed card INSIDE your case, and make a note in their computers. Leaving Denver they didn't check her case or need her to open it so it stayed locked from our house to Pheonix. She was the only one with the key. Coming back home they asked to see inside, so she unlocked the box, showed them the goods, locked it again, and kept the key.

TSA employees are not allowed to handle your firearms, if they need to see it they'll ask you. If something needs to be moved, cycled, checked, they will ask you.

It really is a piece of cake. Take your favorite carry pistol with you and enjoy Texas.
 

NavyLT

Moderator
I just flew from SeaTac to Denver and back two weeks ago. Here's what I did and learned: put the pistol in a hard sided gun case with the slide locked open. Put the empty magazine next to the gun in the case. Put a factory 20 round box of self defense ammo in the case next to the gun. Lock the case with your own non-TSA locks. Put the gun case in your checked luggage so it is easy to get to, lock your checked luggage with a TSA lock AFTER you check in at the counter.

I checked in with the airline, said I have an unloaded firearm to declare. Sign an unloaded tag that goes near the gun case in the checked baggage. At SEATAC the counter person escorted me to TSA where they swiped my gun case with a swipe to check for explosive residue, put it back in checked bag and that was it. 20 minutes extra tops.

In Denver - same process except a skycap took my bag and me to TSA and they merely x-rayed my checked bag - didn't even open it or anything.

The plastic gun case I used cost me $8. I think the slide locked back, magazine next to gun and ammo in the factory packaging all in the same gun case is the easiest way and the only lesson I learned at SEATAC leaving was it is just easier to check in with the gun case already in your checked luggage, just easy to access.

I think you would have much less hassle flying with a firearm than you would trying to figure what other weapons you could/could not take, etc.
 

carguychris

New member
Here is a link to a great video about transporting firearms by air. It was posted to the "Discussion" forum recently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGjddG5Owsc

The video is actually from a computer-related conference since hardcore computer geeks have evidently discovered that traveling with firearms allows them to hard-lock their expensive and/or high-security tech gear in the same container. However, the guy giving the presentation is extremely knowledgeable and experienced, he obviously likes firearms, and all of the advice seems legally sound.

WARNING: The video has brief NSFW content- several 4-letter words and a brief sexual reference. Consider yourself warned. :)
 

chris in va

New member
I'll add one more thing. I got the famous TSA 'love letter' inside my luggage. They informed me that the officials "can open any average lock on the market" as they have some sort of special keys for every brand.

Just what they said, don't kill the messenger.

Oh and if you don't see your luggage on the carousel, look off to the side in the corner with the 'orphaned' stuff. Mine was sitting there for over an hour and no one notified me.
 

aerod1

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Bring your gun! It is easy and no problem at all. Just have it in a lockable hardcase and declare it at the counter. I always do when traveling to a state that reciprocates with Texas.
We welcome you here with your gun!!
 
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