End of Elk Hunting in the Big Horns Mtns, Wyoming
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Nahhh, they are just quite little furry critters that need our protection. They need to eat too you know. Well, that is the Eco wacko nut job interpretation of this picture.
Wow, I counted 25 of those suckers all waiting to go on the kill. I need to bring more ammo with me out in the woods!!!
Wow, I counted 25 of those suckers all waiting to go on the kill. I need to bring more ammo with me out in the woods!!!
jimmythegeek
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However did those poor elk manage without human bodyguards?
Must have been rough! You have such tender hearts
Must have been rough! You have such tender hearts
There is a reason that Alaska pays folks to keep them to a minimum impact on the game animals.
http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/6236
Unless of course you want one for a pet:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_a_Mackenzie_valley_wolf_make_a_good_pet
http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/6236
Unless of course you want one for a pet:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Does_a_Mackenzie_valley_wolf_make_a_good_pet
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jimmythegeek
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When did the idiot humans import them? 1897?
There's a picture of Wyoming cowboys who've roped a gray wolf, dated 1897.
There's a picture of Wyoming cowboys who've roped a gray wolf, dated 1897.
Wolf Pack Train
The photo is real and was taken by Chadden Hunter in Canada's Wood Buffalo National Park
http://www.wildlifeartjournal.com/blog/341/wolf-pack-train.html
The photo is real and was taken by Chadden Hunter in Canada's Wood Buffalo National Park
http://www.wildlifeartjournal.com/blog/341/wolf-pack-train.html
Sorry kraigwy, but wolves are indigenous to Wyoming and were eradicated by the 1930s. The first records of wolves being sited in the mountain region of Wyoming was in the early 1800s. Archeological evidence indicates that the wolf has roamed throughout most of the Northern US and Canada for thousands of years.
Will Lee, the wolves imported to the Mountain west are a different breed that lived here in the past. These canadian imports are not the same.
MQuail, thanks for posting that link. I recieved the picture in an e-mail. I hope these wolves don't become a problem in the Big Horns, but I know I'm hoping in vain. They have been seen, not in the packs pictured, but they are showing up.
The Big Horns are my favorite place on earth, and I've seen some nice places (spent 22 years all over Alaska).
They've even started showing up in th Black Hills.
MQuail, thanks for posting that link. I recieved the picture in an e-mail. I hope these wolves don't become a problem in the Big Horns, but I know I'm hoping in vain. They have been seen, not in the packs pictured, but they are showing up.
The Big Horns are my favorite place on earth, and I've seen some nice places (spent 22 years all over Alaska).
They've even started showing up in th Black Hills.
We moved the wolf from where we wanted to inhabit.
With habitation comes the need to for us to manipulate wild animal populations to suit our needs.
I am pretty sure that the elk populations are not what they were in the early 1800's before man moved into their territory.
Thusly, we do not need too many wolves to be the natural population controller.
With man moving in, came the livestock demands to support the humans. We do not need farmers feeding the wolves.
We eliminated the wolves for good reason (some fear based killin' occurred to be sure) for the most part and it worked fine for long enuff to convince me that wolf reintroduction was not needed at least and a very bad idea at worst....
Brent
With habitation comes the need to for us to manipulate wild animal populations to suit our needs.
I am pretty sure that the elk populations are not what they were in the early 1800's before man moved into their territory.
Thusly, we do not need too many wolves to be the natural population controller.
With man moving in, came the livestock demands to support the humans. We do not need farmers feeding the wolves.
We eliminated the wolves for good reason (some fear based killin' occurred to be sure) for the most part and it worked fine for long enuff to convince me that wolf reintroduction was not needed at least and a very bad idea at worst....
Brent
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WRT historical populations of gray wolves: 200 years back there was a lot more lightly-populated territory in the western US. Aside from the bison, the early European travelers commented on the numbers of deer, elk and antelope.
So, we changed all manner of balances of various populations, both animal and human. Absent livestock, there are fewer animals to support a large population of predators--whether it be bears, wolves or cougars.
Seems to me that it won't take all that many wolves to have a population whose demand for food strongly degrades the available supply. IOW, there is a serious need for control of their numbers.
Obviously, some folks feel that "zero" is an appropriate number.
Another "numbers" problem, I guess, would be that of coyotes. As the wolf population declined, the coyote population increased because of reduced competition for food. We still have this larger population of coyotes, and now we add wolves into the equation.
So, we changed all manner of balances of various populations, both animal and human. Absent livestock, there are fewer animals to support a large population of predators--whether it be bears, wolves or cougars.
Seems to me that it won't take all that many wolves to have a population whose demand for food strongly degrades the available supply. IOW, there is a serious need for control of their numbers.
Obviously, some folks feel that "zero" is an appropriate number.
Another "numbers" problem, I guess, would be that of coyotes. As the wolf population declined, the coyote population increased because of reduced competition for food. We still have this larger population of coyotes, and now we add wolves into the equation.
IdahoHombre
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I suspect that elk herds are actually better than what they were in the 1800's in Idaho. It just all depends on where you're talking about. Much more of the land in that day was forested, and since then wildfires, timber harvests, agricultural expansions, etc. all improved elk habitat. Elk have increased in population greatly since then.
Idaho had a bounty on wolves early in the 20th Century after they had become an infestation in the state. By the '30's, there weren't any more wolves to turn in for the bounty. As far as I can tell, there wasn't much killing out of "fear." Level headed ranchers were the ones seeing their sheep and cattle go for the dog food, and they put their money where their mouth was - they paid for the wolf bounties.
Hmmm... wolf bounties and ranching organizations paying for them... sounds more effective than taxpayers getting the tab for aerial gunnings. I'm for the wolf gone either way. Just an idea...
Idaho had a bounty on wolves early in the 20th Century after they had become an infestation in the state. By the '30's, there weren't any more wolves to turn in for the bounty. As far as I can tell, there wasn't much killing out of "fear." Level headed ranchers were the ones seeing their sheep and cattle go for the dog food, and they put their money where their mouth was - they paid for the wolf bounties.
Hmmm... wolf bounties and ranching organizations paying for them... sounds more effective than taxpayers getting the tab for aerial gunnings. I'm for the wolf gone either way. Just an idea...
Shooting coyotes is fun, wolves would be too. You're a sniper Kraig, go out there and pick some off. Wolves aren't an endangered species and WY has a Wolf management plan.
There are several wolf subspecies even among the north American gray wolf.
http://www.cosmosmith.com/wolf_classification.html
It seems that our Federal govn't went out of its way to get the biggest and most aggressive subspecies that is out of place here in the Rockies. They are known to even kill grizzly bears in a similar manner to the way some Indians allegedly hunted deer by running them down over a couple day period of time until the deer are too exhausted to run any further. Wolves have been documented killing grizzly bears in a similar manner.
In addition, the Scandanavian nations have sought to eradicate wolves because of the severe public health problem caused by the parasite that they carry. In Idaho, 62% of wolves examined were infested as well with a parasite that is deadly to people. The Russians also spent decades trying to eradicate this parasite with little success. Now the Feds have introduced this invasive wolf subspecies carrying a truly invasive parasite. They propagate the false information that the wolf is good for the ecosystem when in fact, they are ravaging the northern Rockies with little to hope that they will ever be controlled anytime soon.
http://www.cosmosmith.com/wolf_classification.html
It seems that our Federal govn't went out of its way to get the biggest and most aggressive subspecies that is out of place here in the Rockies. They are known to even kill grizzly bears in a similar manner to the way some Indians allegedly hunted deer by running them down over a couple day period of time until the deer are too exhausted to run any further. Wolves have been documented killing grizzly bears in a similar manner.
In addition, the Scandanavian nations have sought to eradicate wolves because of the severe public health problem caused by the parasite that they carry. In Idaho, 62% of wolves examined were infested as well with a parasite that is deadly to people. The Russians also spent decades trying to eradicate this parasite with little success. Now the Feds have introduced this invasive wolf subspecies carrying a truly invasive parasite. They propagate the false information that the wolf is good for the ecosystem when in fact, they are ravaging the northern Rockies with little to hope that they will ever be controlled anytime soon.