I always use Pachmayer - now let me tell you why. Several years ago, I needed to add pads to both a Win model 70 and a Win model 94. Limbsaver thinks that they both use the same pad (even though you can look at the stocks and see that the model 70 is slightly larger. Pachmayr makes different pads for each. That in itself was enough to steer me to Pachmayr. Since then, I've done a couple of Pachmayr grind-to-fit pads with great results.