Copying concealed carry permit
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unclenunzie
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I'm going to suggest that you look into the very specific requirements and laws of your state.
Beyond this, my opinion is that a copy of a permit or license is not the permit or license, and you'd likely be exposed to arrest for carrying without a permit or license if the actual, state-issued permit or license is not on your person.
Additionally some places might consider lamination, innocent as it may seem, to be defacing the permit or license. You might consider instead a clear plastic removable protective cover, or a thin license holder made for the purpose.
Make certain through advice from those who are authorized and competent to give it before you risk your gun rights or freedom.
FWIW, I keep a copy of my license for record keeping purposes only in pdf form on my computers, etc. I always carry my original state issued license.
Beyond this, my opinion is that a copy of a permit or license is not the permit or license, and you'd likely be exposed to arrest for carrying without a permit or license if the actual, state-issued permit or license is not on your person.
Additionally some places might consider lamination, innocent as it may seem, to be defacing the permit or license. You might consider instead a clear plastic removable protective cover, or a thin license holder made for the purpose.
Make certain through advice from those who are authorized and competent to give it before you risk your gun rights or freedom.
FWIW, I keep a copy of my license for record keeping purposes only in pdf form on my computers, etc. I always carry my original state issued license.
I'm not a lawyer or legal expert of any kind. My advice is worth nothing.
Somehow I think if I made up a real nice laminated copy of my drivers license and presented it to an LEO during a traffic stop,things would not go well for me.
Even if it was a copy of my legit driver's license. My motive might be simply backup. but that does not change the fact its a forgery.(That's just my opinion)
I would not make a facsimile of the card,but writing or otherwise recording the info on the card for your records might possibly facilitate a re-issue of your original card should you lose it.
Somehow I think if I made up a real nice laminated copy of my drivers license and presented it to an LEO during a traffic stop,things would not go well for me.
Even if it was a copy of my legit driver's license. My motive might be simply backup. but that does not change the fact its a forgery.(That's just my opinion)
I would not make a facsimile of the card,but writing or otherwise recording the info on the card for your records might possibly facilitate a re-issue of your original card should you lose it.
It would go better for you than if you showed him a copy of a CCP. Most law enforcement officers nationwide have computers and can look up your driver's license and picture to see if it is actually you. Driver's licenses are typically standardized throughout the state, but in many states CCPs are not and may have great variation from county to county depending upon the state. The state may or may not be the issuing agency. This limits their ability to check your pistol permit not only within the state but from outside the state.
Some counties, in some states issue a black and white, unlaminated permit on copy paper. There is no way of knowing if it is a copy or the original.
I know we are in completely different states, but the wife lost her CCL last year along with some other stuff card wise.
The state has a link on the main website to replace such license. Total cost was $5.00. The license is almost identical to the state issued driver license.
Maybe your state has such provisions too??
The state has a link on the main website to replace such license. Total cost was $5.00. The license is almost identical to the state issued driver license.
Maybe your state has such provisions too??
My Virginia CCP is printed on plain paper, but the signatures are originals and it has a raised stamp. VA law does not address carrying a copy of the permit, but does refer to carrying "a valid permit" which could be interpreted as the original permit. In any case, failure to have the CCP on your person is a minor offense and would likely be dismissed if you could show you in fact were issued a valid permit.
§ 18.2-308.01. Carrying a concealed handgun with a permit.
B. Failure to display the permit and a photo identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer shall be punishable by a $25 civil penalty, which shall be paid into the state treasury. Any attorney for the Commonwealth of the county or city in which the alleged violation occurred may bring an action to recover the civil penalty. A court may waive such penalty upon presentation to the court of a valid permit and a government-issued photo identification. Any law-enforcement officer may issue a summons for the civil violation of failure to display the concealed handgun permit and photo identification upon demand.
§ 18.2-308.01. Carrying a concealed handgun with a permit.
B. Failure to display the permit and a photo identification upon demand by a law-enforcement officer shall be punishable by a $25 civil penalty, which shall be paid into the state treasury. Any attorney for the Commonwealth of the county or city in which the alleged violation occurred may bring an action to recover the civil penalty. A court may waive such penalty upon presentation to the court of a valid permit and a government-issued photo identification. Any law-enforcement officer may issue a summons for the civil violation of failure to display the concealed handgun permit and photo identification upon demand.
Spats McGee
Administrator
OP, that seems like a pretty bad idea. It seems like a way to send a police officers suspicions through the roof. Better to just get the replacement. I took a look at the relevant statutes, and here's what catches my eye (even though I'm not licensed in VA).
It says "such permit," or "the permit." It doesn't say "the permit or a photocopy thereof."
I thank all you folks for your opinions on this. You make some pretty valid points. I tend to agree that the original is the only permit. I will call my County Clerk of Courts to get the true information.
Thank you Spats for your efforts in retrieving the proper Va. statutes. it makes it pretty clear.
Thank you Spats for your efforts in retrieving the proper Va. statutes. it makes it pretty clear.
There's hardly any paper cards anymore...everything is plastic now. But in days of yore when paper ruled we had plastic card sized envelopes in our billfolds that protected the paper items from wear and tear. Don't see them much any more but I'll bet their still around. Would be an alternative to laminating the card.
Geezerbiker
New member
You could get a copy from the county sheriff's office in advance so you'll have one in an emergency...
Tony
Tony
My auto insurance folks send me a card to use as "proof of insurance", its easy and convenient, and it is the usual thing, but its not the only thing that meets the requirement, because the law says "proof of insurance", without further specifics.
But when its a pistol license, and the law says you have to have the license on you when carrying, its generally accepted that they mean the license they issued, NOT a copy.
You can't legally pay for your dinner (or your bail
) with a photocopy of your cash. I doubt you can legally carry with a photocopy of your license, if the law states you must have the license, but to be sure, I suggest you get qualified legal advice about what is legal in your state and jurisdiction, and not take the word of any well meaning internet friend, or your local cop, or a clerk in the county office.
But when its a pistol license, and the law says you have to have the license on you when carrying, its generally accepted that they mean the license they issued, NOT a copy.
You can't legally pay for your dinner (or your bail
) with a photocopy of your cash. I doubt you can legally carry with a photocopy of your license, if the law states you must have the license, but to be sure, I suggest you get qualified legal advice about what is legal in your state and jurisdiction, and not take the word of any well meaning internet friend, or your local cop, or a clerk in the county office.The Clerk of the Court did mine personally when I renewed and one of the staff did my original.
Spats McGee
Administrator
Ladies and gentlemen,
I've had to do a second round of thread cleanup, so I'd like to encourage everyone to stay on topic. Let's look at the OP:
I've had to do a second round of thread cleanup, so I'd like to encourage everyone to stay on topic. Let's look at the OP:
This thread is pretty specific: Lamination and copying of a Virginia CCP. Not another state, not a different kind of card, and not your mama's meatloaf recipe. Please stay on topic.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Actually, the question posed in the OP is not whether one can laminate the VA permit, the question seems to be whether or not it is lawful to carry a printed/scanned/photocopied facsimile of the original permit in lieu of carrying the actual paper permit that was issued.
e-bear said: