Conservatives Uneasy about Bush

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
”Conservatives in GOP uneasy about Bush”
by Richard L. Berke, New York Times
(from San Antonio Express-News, 6/29/99, pg A1

Laconia N.H. -- Many politically active conservatives say they’re
increasingly frustrated and distressed by the early dominance of Gov.
George W. Bush
in the Republican presidential race.

They accuse their party of sacrificing principle in the name of pragmatism,
prompting some to talk of mounting a third-party campaign.


In early battleground states such as Iowa and New Hampshire - and elsewhere
in the country - rank-and-file conservatives in interviews said they never had
felt so alienated from their own party.


They asserted Bush wasn’t sufficiently conservative on matters like abortion
and complained about the defense - if not outright embrace - of Bush by the
party establishment, including some leaders of their own wing, such as Pat
Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition.

They also cited compromises by Republican leaders in Washington on issues
such as taxes, gun control, military spending and gay rights.


They’re all the more uneasy, these conservatives said, because they fear even at
this early stage that Bush may be unstoppable since no conservative champion
has emerged from the right to take on the governor of Texas.

The disenchantment is so intense that more and more conservatives at the grass
roots are discussing openly whether to bolt from their party altogether.

One conservative presidential hopeful, Sen. Robert Smith of New
Hampshire, said he was so fed up he would decide in the next 30 days whether
to seek the presidency by creating his own party or running as a member of the
Reform or U.S. Taxpayer party.


Another conservative contender, Pat Buchanan, the television commentator,
last week insisted he would remain in the Republican contest.

But some of his advisers recently have mulled over whether he should seek the
nomination of Ross Perot’s Reform Party.

The discomfort among conservatives erupted in full view at a town meeting in
Manchester last week sponsored by Thing New Hampshire.

The group was established by Jim Rubens, a former Republican state senator
who ran for governor last year, to promote the party’s principles.

On a breezy summer night, more than 100 local Republicans gathered in an
auditorium to stew over the state of their party.

The theme, as set out by Rubens at the start of the meeting, was to ponder “the
gnawing question” he feared had “demoralized” Republicans. “How do we
resolve the tug of war between principle and pragmatism - between party
ideals and the pressure to compromise them?”


Members of the audience voiced concerns that Republicans with an eye on a
general election victory in 2000 were moving too quickly to dilute their
positions on bedrock issues like abortion.

Despite Bush’s command of the Republican field, not one participant defended
the Texas governor.

Jack Kenney, a freelance journalist in Manchester, drew enthusiastic applause
when he rose to a microphone in the audience and asked: “I wonder if any
of us can tell the difference between the Gore-Bush twins?”


Kenney echoed many others who expressed concern about Bush.

David Corbin, a state representative in New Hampshire who supports Alan
Keyes for the nomination, said Bush might win the nomination but lose the
following November because he wouldn’t be seen as standing for anything.


“I think George W. will win 35 percent of the New Hampshire primary vote,”
Corbin said. “But if the idea is winning at any cost, it may do more damage
to the Republican Party in the long term
.”

Before boarding a plane in Austin on Monday night, Bush said he was not
worried about the prospect of a conservative rebellion.


“Well, I same come and look at my record. I’ve been the governor of the State
of Texas. I’ve now gone through three legislative sessions. I’ve done in office
what I said I would do. And they ought to come down and look at our
education program, or my tax cutting,” Bush said.


In Davenport, Iowa, the state that traditionally holds the first caucuses, David
Karwoski, a religious conservative organizer, said that if Bush captures the
nomination, he could lose as Bob Dole did in 1996.

“When you try to placate the pro-choice people and the pro-life people at
the same time,”
said Karwoski, who is backing Gary Bauer, “the people
who feel strongly about those issues are going to have a huge question in their
mind: ‘Is he really with us? Can we trust him?’ There’s going to be a
rude awakening in November.”

In interviews around the country, many conservatives repeat the same mantra.
They’re worried Bush is getting “anointed”.

As Gordon MacDonald, the New Hampshire director for the campaign of
former Vice President Dan Quayle, put it, “There’s a real concern that the
establishment of the party is foisting on them a candidate who won’t stand for
their principles.
It’s feeding this alienation.”

Many conservatives speak enthusiastically about the prospect of abandoning
the Republican Party.


Citing how the Whigs unraveled in the 1800s after the party was unable to
reach a consensus on slavery - and paved the way for the Republicans - several
conservatives said Republicans could be similarly ravaged over abortion.

“I have to tell you I’m not optimistic about the future of the Republican Party,”
Richard Lessner, director of the editorial page of the Union Leader, a beacon
of conservatism in Manchester, said at the town meeting.

Referring to his participation on a radio talk show in Arizona recently, Lessner
said: “What really sparked the telephone calls is when the subject of third party
came up. We can paper over this talk. We can pretend that it doesn’t exist.
We can urge all Republicans simply to set aside their differences and get
together, not shoot at one another, don’t call one another nasty names,
everything will be happy.

“But the sentiment out there for a third party is real,” Lessner continued. “It
is deep. And it is growing. We had call after call on that radio talk
show out there, people calling and saying, ‘You know, I’m a conservative,
but I’ve just about given up on the Republican Party.’”

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Bold for stress added by Dennis

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 29, 1999).]
 

CMOS

New member
Split voting is a scary thing. There's only been one winner in this situation - Democrats.

CMOS
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
The Republicans have been talking out of both sides of their mouth and ignoring our Second Amendment position for too long. Bush may say he is not worried, but we have him addressing our concerns for the first time.

Be strong! Fight the status quo by demanding the Republican Part take a Pro-Second Amendment stance. If we vote other issues, or if we simply vote "against Gore" our Second Amendment Rights will fall as quickly to Republican compromises as to Democratic demands.

We obviously can NOT influence Gore. We CAN force Bush to recognize our demands. We may never have another chance to vote for the Second Amendment before it is gutted beyond repair!

So far as I can tell, neither the Reform Party of Ross Perot nor the U.S. Taxpayer party care about the Second Amendment. If we stay strong, we may be able to bring them into our camp or form a coalition which would address our Rights.

Either way, the Republicans MUST BECOME AWARE that we will vote as one-issue, Second Amendment voters. They must be made to understand that they can NOT win without us. If we do that, they will ignore us no longer.

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited June 29, 1999).]
 

Oatka

New member
I agree that we ought to keep the Republicans' feet to the fire. However, the threat to bolt if ANY more gun control is passed might strengthen some spaghetti-spines. Many of us have written to the RNC
saying we would bolt the party if Liz Dole was nominated either for Pres. or VP. The
same should apply to Bush -- toe the line or else. He will probably flip on us once in office, (it's in the genes) but a Demo in
power is a catastrophe. The thought occurs that if he could get his nose bloodied just a little bit in the primaries, he would'nt feel he had everyone locked up in his camp.
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Time to make a decision:

A) Democrats = quick elimination of Second Amendment followed by complete desecration of entire Bill of Rights.

B) Republicans = slower elimination of Second Amendment followed by complete desecration of entire Bill of Rights.

C) Reform Party = Second Amendment? To what?

D) U.S. Taxpayer Party = What Second Amendment?

E) Libertarian Party = ...the Right of the People Shall Not Be Infringed.
- Kill those Executive Orders - they're UNconstitutional!
- Abortion is a personal decision - not a governmental decision.
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Obviously, Dennis does not understand the question...
 

Coinneach

Staff Alumnus
I think we know which way Dennis is voting. :)

Now, if we could just get more votes for Harry than Al or George...

OK, so I'm dreaming.
 

Paul B.

New member
I have always been a one issue voter and the issue has been the retention of Second Amendment rights. I have never missed an election, and don't plan to now.
Paul B.
 

Paul Revere

New member
Forgetaboutit! BUSH IS IN.

If you have learned anything about American politics in the 90's, you'll recognize that the man in the Presidency is chosen for us by the "Establishment Elite", and it doesn't matter if he consideres himself Republican or Democrat. The voting process is corrupt. In addition, that person (the selected, not elected President) is handed a list of appointees to the Cabinet posts, the majority of which have been CFR or Trilateral Commission members (check it out).

In a nutshell, it doesn't matter what "we" all think, or who "we" vote for. It's a done deal folks, George W. Bush is in. Check his credentials (and don't be misguided by his stance on various gun issues). You'll find him to be not only the son of a vowed NWO (New World Order) dad, but vowed to the NWO himself through his affiliations/memberships in The Order of Skull and Bones (http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm), the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission.

Learn from history!!!
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
To be totally honest, I vacillate between fear of, and anger at, our leaders. They have betrayed the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the American people. They have broken laws beyond our ability to count. They have betrayed their oaths of office and common ethics beyond comprehension. Common sense and common courtesy have gone the same way as our currency being backed by gold and silver.

At times, like other folks, I think it just can't happen here - not in the United States! Then I listen to our friends in Australia and see how it happened there. I consider the restrictions upon my children that we never suffered as kids. It IS happening here.

I no longer can go along with "the program". I'm scared for my family. I'm insulted and angry at our lying government. I've had enough.

As W.C. Fields once said, "The time has come to take the bull by the tail and face the situation."

It's a big bull - with an ugly behind. But I just can't stand by and let the treacherous bastards take it all from us.

It's best summed up by the trite saying,

If we continue to do what we've always done,
We'll continue to get what we've always gotten.

It's time for a change.
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Common Folk

The other night I had a dream, and this is what I saw.
A government of common folk, who lived within the law.
True, some of them were lawyers, but most were common stock.
And they listened to the people, and to each other as they’d talk.

They understood that in our Land, the government invokes,
Only rules against those things, that hurt the common folks.
And all the men and women, and children as they grew
Were free to make their choices, with all the risks they knew.

Most folks preferred to stand alone, learning from their past.
But some folks wanted guidance, from their first day to their last.
So then this noble government, did made a fearsome try,
To be all things to everyone, lifelong until you die

But the people rose up angry, and said, “You work for us!
You have no right to rule our minds, or hold rewards in trust.
We’re eager and quite willing, to make decisions on our own
We’ve sometimes won and sometimes lost, but every time we’ve grown.

“So do away with all your tax, represent us as you should
Let the people help each other, voluntarily - which is good!”
But the government replied, “You just don’t know what’s best
Just do your work and tithe to us, then go home and rest.”

And so all the people, kept working at their works
And only mumbled how their leaders, had become such jerks
But finally people realized that they as working class,
Could vote together and throw out, those rascals on their ass.

And that’s story we must learn, that finally, (at long length),
Though we are just common folk, our voting is our strength.
So if you vote your “always vote”, you have no right to pout,
If you want change, go cast your vote, and vote the rascals out!
 

Johan762

New member
Let's face the fact: most Republican voters /party members don't give a hoot about the second amendment. Most Republican party members care only about one thing: the all mighty dollars. They think if they're rich, they will bw safe forever. Well, let's take a look at the situation in Indonesia, all of rich Chinese merchants got their houses an businesses burned down by the scapegoating mob, and they had to flee the country! The same thing happened to the Jewish population in Deutschland when Hitler was in power.

Recent poll suggests that 80% Republicans want more gun control. They better wake up before it's too late.

Johannes.
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Johannes,
Over in the Legal and Political Forum, on the thread,
“Heston, Nugent, and Liddy on Politically Incorrect Tonight!!”,
dZ’s entry of 6/29/99 at 02:09 PM (whew) says the following:

((Quote))
Bill: But, 80% of Americans think we need more gun control.
Charlton: Actually, that's not true.
That is not a true statement, with respect.
Ted: I've seen the gallup polls, as well. If the question is asked,
"Do you think there should be more guns on the street,"
everybody goes no.

And they go, "Well, they want gun control."

Well, that's not the question that the gallup poll and the "Time" poll and
the "Newsweek" poll ask.
They ask if you think law-abiding citizens should have access to weapons
to deter crime. And the answer was yes.
Charlton: That's correct. By more than 80%.
((UNQUOTE))


So, If we bring our Second Amendment movement to the attention of the
people, then the politicians will have to address it. If we unite, we can:

- Become a force needed by politicians to become elected.
- Ensure ONLY pro-Second Amendment politicians become elected.
- One they are in office, evaluate their support of the Second
Amendment.
- If they don’t perform properly, vote ‘em out and elect someone who
will.

Folks, if we LOSE our Second Amendment Rights, all the other political
questions become irrelevant
- we will have NO influence left.

The government will tell us what our opinions are - just like
President Clinton and his clones tell us we want gun control. He’s a liar!

If the Second Amendment were not so important, the Democrats and
Republicans would NOT be working so hard to gut it!

First, Preserve the Second Amendment.

Second, Reverse the attacks on our Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Return our government to its proper place of SERVING the people -
rather than RULING the people.

Then, when we once again control our government, we can debate and
bring about the changes we desire.

Our choices are really quite simple:

A. Get our government back under control by voting for our Rights.

B. Keep doing what we’ve always done and slide comfortably into
Socialism - eliminating for our children the Rights we’ve enjoyed (but are
losing).

C. War. An armed insurrection.

Personally, I prefer choice “A”.
I will continue to shame those who choose “B”.
I am trying to prevent “C”.
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If I am wrong, convince me. I'll listen.
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Yeah, I know. I'm goin' bananas today. But I just found a good quote -
apparently about the New World Order.

"They (who) seek to establush systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers...call this a new order. It is not new and it is not order."

-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
(quoted in the San Antonio Express-News; 5/2/97, pg 19A)
 

Ivan8883

New member
From: Ivan 8883 6-29-99 1103 PM EDT The power elites that decide Presidential electionsmake sure their bases are covered.If Bush does not make it,his Democratic opponent will. Whether it is Skull and Bones Bush or a equally bought Democratic Candidate, the NWO wins either way. With the very corrupt two party system so entrenched , a populist third party has little or no chance to break the hold these 2 parties have on the system. I am at a loss to come up with a plan where a third party could elect anyone to the House or Senate,let alone the Presidency. But I am sure of one thing. Shortly our country will be completely in the clutches of the NWO crowd no matter which lackey is elected. Of coarse I will vote for some third party ,but realistically it will do no good. This is very depressing.
 

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
At least you will have fought the good fight, Ivan. And who knows, if we would vote our conscience instead of our compromises, we could bring about change.
 

Paul B.

New member
What if they gave an election, and nobody voted? That was not meant to be humorous. I said it, because that is exactly what is happening. I forget what the percentage was, but how many voted in the last election? I can only speak for myself. I did! Can you say that?
Paul B.
 

Hal

New member
Paul Revere: I agree with you conclusion. The unwashed masses that make up public opinion are swayed by the subliminal messages.

Dole, by literal definition of the word=grief; sorrow; lamentation. He never stood a chance.

Gore, by literal definition of the word=Dirt; mud. [Obs.] --Bp. Fisher. He doesn't stand a chance.

Subliminal cuts were banned in movie theaters when their power to persuade was proven. A fact not lost on policy makers.



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