Clinton - In Muddy Fields

Dennis

Staff Emeritus
Now, as President, that “man” gains political mileage from the deaths of
those who died to protect his freedom - which he spurned, betrayed, and reviled.

I *SO* despise that man. Mere vulgarities fail me. I sit here choking back tears of guilt, sadness, and rage....

(quote - stress added)
Clinton Watches Muddy MIA Search in Vietnam
November 18, 2000 8:00 am EST

By Randall Mikkelsen
TIEN CHAU, Vietnam (Reuters) - President Clinton Saturday visited a muddy
pit northwest of Hanoi where workers are searching for a U.S. pilot shot down
in 1967, saying his sons deserved "finally to take their father home."

Standing amid rice paddies and vegetable fields, Clinton turned to some of
the Vietnam War's unfinished business: the sad task of digging for the
remains of the 1,498 Americans missing in action from a conflict that ended
25 years ago.

"At this spot 33 years ago this month, Captain Lawrence Evert's F-105 was
shot down. No parachute was seen, the area was heavily defended, and there
was no chance for a search," Clinton said in a subdued voice.

"I am honored to be here with Captain Evert's sons Dan and David," he
said.

"We believe we owe them and all Americans like them what they came here
for -- a chance finally to take their father home."

David Evert said a childhood fantasy of bringing their father home was
becoming real.
"When we were younger, about six and eight, we used to talk about how we
would come over to Vietnam and come get him out of jail. We thought he was
alive, so we thought we'd come get him and take him home and rescue him,"
he said.
"And we kind of feel that's what we're doing right now," he said, his voice
choked with emotion.

FULLEST POSSIBLE ACCOUNTING

In the middle of his historic three-day visit to Vietnam, Clinton said the
United States was committed to seeking the fullest possible accounting for
the U.S. servicemen who fell in the war and to helping Vietnam search for the
estimated 300,000 Vietnamese still missing.

Accounting for the missing has been a top priority of U.S. veterans' groups
and is politically essential to Clinton's efforts to normalize U.S. relations with
Vietnam.

Clinton is the first serving U.S. president to visit the former enemy since the
war.

Many of the three million U.S. veterans of the Vietnam War, in which 58,000
Americans and three million Vietnamese died, have been resentful toward
Clinton because of his opposition to the war and efforts to avoid the draft as a
young man.

Communist North Vietnam reunified the divided country in 1975 with a
military victory over U.S.-backed South Vietnam, two years after the United
States withdrew.

First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton and daughter Chelsea accompanied Clinton
to the site about 29 km (17 miles) northwest of Hanoi.
The Clintons watched women in a knee-deep pit digging out the dense clay
where Evert's plane is believed to have crashed on November 8, 1967.

The women passed their buckets along a brigade to 28 workers in purple
ponchos and conical straw hats who sluiced the mud through a mesh sieve
searching for the scraps of flesh and bone that might permit Evert's remains
to be identified.

Clinton was later shown three trays of blue metal scraps thought to come
from the plane, and a .38 caliber bullet of the type Evert was known to carry.
The president has sought Vietnam's cooperation in accounting for the U.S.
soldiers as a condition for any expansion in ties with its former enemy and
Saturday he warmly thanked the Vietnamese for their help.

"Once we met here as adversaries, today we work as partners," Clinton said.
He said the United States wanted to end "the anguish of not knowing" for
U.S. families, pledged to help Vietnam search for its own missing, including
through the release of U.S. documents.

Vietnamese President Tran Duc Luong, speaking at a state banquet Friday
night, said Washington should do more to alleviate suffering caused by the
war to the Vietnamese.
"The war has left very serious consequences for Vietnam. All Vietnamese
people think that the U.S. government needs to have a recognition of its
responsibility for the huge losses that Vietnamese people suffered," Luong
said.

David Evert said he held no ill feelings toward the Vietnamese over his
father's death. "We want them to know that we love them and we don't hold
any animosity toward them at all and we feel it's a time for healing for
everybody," he said.

FOCUS ON WAR'S LEGACY

Later Saturday, Clinton was to highlight the war's continuing impact on
Vietnam by visiting an exhibit on de-mining activities and by attending a
repatriation ceremony for recovered remains being returned to the United
States.

A U.S. official said Vietnam had one of the world's worst problems with land
mines and unexploded bombs from decades of war with the United States
and, before that, France. Vietnam says 38,000 people have been killed by the
devices since 1975.

The U.S. official said the United States began to help Vietnam last summer
by paying for de-mining equipment and providing records of U.S. bombing
missions over Vietnam.


Late Saturday Clinton he was to fly to Ho Chi Minh City, the former South
Vietnamese capital Saigon.
He returns to Washington the following evening.
Saturday afternoon, Clinton met Communist Party chief Le Kha Phieu, the
man considered the Southeast Asian country's most powerful figure, for 45
minutes of talks expected to cover business and trade but also to touch on
human rights.
Phieu and Clinton met at the headquarters of the ruling party, a French
colonial-style building close to the mausoleum of Vietnam's late revolutionary
hero Ho Chi Minh.

Sitting beneath a giant bust of Ho, America's Vietnam war nemesis, the two
exchanged pleasantries
about Clinton's visit, the first ever by a U.S. president
to Hanoi, White House spokesman Jake Siewart said.
"I hope you've enjoyed your stay, you've had a long flight. How are you
adjusting?" Siewart quoted Phieu as saying.
"I've had some time to adjust and the people have been very kind," Clinton
replied. "I'm very much enjoying my time here."
Clinton then moved across the road to bid a formal farewell to President
Luong, with whom held talks Friday.

Standing with the Vietnamese president with his back to another enormous
bust of Ho, Clinton said: "I love this room!"

At a state banquet Friday, Luong hailed Clinton's role in normalizing ties but
responded to his urgings for Vietnam to improve its rights record by saying
Washington should avoid interference in Hanoi's affairs.
(unquote)
 

TMoney

New member
Gag me with a maggot! Who is it this "president" serves?
I wish I could get a candid picture of him receiving his check from the Commie disbursement officer.

Damn.
 

Karanas

New member
Using the criteria established by algore, does this visit now qualify him as a Vietnam veteran?
pukeface.gif
 

mcneill

New member
Dennis - Tears of frustration and rage yes, but you should have no tears of guilt for you had nothing to do with empowering this pond scum. My wife tells me to be patient, that Clinton will eventually get his just reward. But, I would like for that to happen in this life. If there were true justice, both Clintons, Algore, and Janet Reno would all be in jail.
 

echo3mike

New member
Talk about a slap in the face of American Vets! I' amazed that he can still keep a straight face about his administration when he lies, cheats, begs forgivness, and then laughs at the American people. WHAT SCUM!
 

Ed Brunner

New member
How I really feel

The idea that the sons of the pilot planned as children to rescue their father from North Vietnam and in a poignant fashion are today doing just that is honor in a realm beyond bill's comprehension.

Remember that this is the same potus who swore before God and everybody else that he would keep faith with the families of MIA/POW's and would not formalize relations with Vietnam until all MIA/POW's were accounted for.

As a veteran of the Vietnam War and as an individual with intimate knowlege of the treatment received by some of the families of MIA/POW's and knowing how many times this man has let them down, I have nothing but contempt for for him.

He will have to meet all of these people on down the road.
 

Cap n ball

New member
I wish he would go to where my 1st cousin and his squad caught a short round. There might still be a few 'hot' ones laying around there waiting for the opportunity to let him really feel our pain.
 

Bill Barrett

New member
Muddy Field

Too bad he didn't stand in a muddy field in RVN about 30 years ago. Maybe he would have a different outlook (or some hot shot NVA would have provided another solution)
 

ruger45

Moderator
But, I would like for that to happen in this life. If there were true justice, both Clintons, Algore, and Janet Reno would all be in jail. ---MCNEIL

Mcneil unless you mean a jail cell and treatment like
our soldiers received by the japanese and N.vietnamese
that would be far to kind a treatment for this
skilled traitor.
But Ill give it to him the man is a darn good liar
he does a wonderful job of convincing so many that he actual
beleives his own cow patties.
 

Munro Williams

New member
Can this man do anything else but spit in America's face and laugh about it?

This is the same Bill Clinton who protested US involvement in Viet Nam by hanging out with stone cold Communists in England and then spending time in Moscow.

No polite words exist to describe this pitiful example of humanity.
 

ruger45

Moderator
Can I play Devils advocate for a minute.
How do most of you reply when his liberal
suck.. I mean followers reply with some garbage
like ' yes it was terrible then but now we just
want peace and Clinton is taking us their,
whats wrong with peace'
Id just like a few more idea's than the one of
'because we never got around to nuking them off
of Korea and a few tortured americans doesnt go away that
easy'
Or maybe a better way of rephrasing that to make some actual
points with some of these blind mmm I mean some of the liberals that arent blind sheep followers but can think
and learn.
It just kills me how many liberals I can say 'yeah one thing
I can say about Clinton hes made friends with more communist
leaders and countries and leaders than any other president in history' ( or should I say promised them more slaves a lot of white and black ones) and they neither argue nor
seem offended.
What do you say to people like that whom it seems you could
brand 666 on their forehead and theyd laugh as long as the
economy was good and women could still CHOOSE to abort
a 7 month old baby by having its brains literallly vacume
cleaned.
Me Im marked 666 is in my birthday but if your not you
shouldnt want to be labeled as a sheep for the facists to
mislead and be empowered by your support.
Rant rant.
 

Phil Ca

New member
Anyone Remember Doing This!

Back in Nam,(65/66), there was a detail that no one liked. It was the **** burning detail. We would get a metal rod and drag out the containers in the privy and then pour diesel fuel or gasoline over the contents and set it on fire. This detail was universally disliked but necessary. IMHO, the POTUS would not even qualify to do that detail in my book.

It makes me want to puke when I see him at the Tomb of the Unknowns on Veteran's Day. The other night I saw him and the 'worst' family at the Univ. of Hanoi making a speech. I had to leave the room at least twice while he was on the air. I could have turned off the tube of course, but my wife was watching and voicing her disgust about him at the same time so I left it on.

When he is finally out of office I have an idea for his presidential library. No need to build a large and imposing edifice, just buy a porta john from the companies that rent them to contsruction outfits. It would not even have to be new, it could be used and even filthy for that matter. The problem in this type of monument to Klinton is that there are usually some sort of zoning laws for keeping that sort of structure around for any length of time.

End of rant, now I'll sleep better. [:)
 
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