CCW with handloaded ammo...
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You should consider two areas.
One quality control. Your hand loaded ammo can be reliable if you are competent in how you hand load while using quality components and equipment.
Second, possible legal ramification.
Should you shoot someone, you may be arrested and charged with a crime. You may go to trial. The prosecutor may try to make an issue that you carried your hand loaded ammunition instead of what is commonly used by law enforcement. What you used was excessive and that you are a bad person who should go to jail (or something like that).
If you avoid the criminal charges and conviction; you may be sued by the person you shot or his/her estate and/or survivors in a civil action. The attorney there may also raise the issue of hand loaded ammunition . . .
Frank Ettin
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This is a topic that gets discussed regularly here. And I can't think of anything that can be said that hasn't already been said.
So before once again going down that very well trodden path, see this thread and the various links included in it: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452627.
So before once again going down that very well trodden path, see this thread and the various links included in it: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452627.
Thanks for the replies.
To whom it may concern....
I did read plenty of the past posts of which most are dated. My intention was to see if there was any more current info on the subject. My take on this now is the money I might save on carrying my reloads would be spent 100 times over by paying a lawyer to defend me if it ever came to that.
I will continue to carry factory ammo.
Sorry if I offended anyone by digging up a dead horse.
E.
To whom it may concern....
I did read plenty of the past posts of which most are dated. My intention was to see if there was any more current info on the subject. My take on this now is the money I might save on carrying my reloads would be spent 100 times over by paying a lawyer to defend me if it ever came to that.
I will continue to carry factory ammo.
Sorry if I offended anyone by digging up a dead horse.
E.
Spats McGee
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EJW, I don't think anyone was offended by the post. If there had been any gound-breaking developments on this issue, though, I'm sure that a thread would have been started, and I would certainly add such a thread to the archive.
Frank Ettin
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And I agree with Spats. I certainly wasn't offended.
The thing is, there's nothing new that I'm aware of, and there's nothing to be gained by going over old ground yet again.
As to saving money, how much could you really save. Save money by training and practicing with your handloads. You'll want to shoot a lot for training and practice, and you can load you practice ammunition to be roughly ballistically the same as your carry ammunition.
The thing is, there's nothing new that I'm aware of, and there's nothing to be gained by going over old ground yet again.
As to saving money, how much could you really save. Save money by training and practicing with your handloads. You'll want to shoot a lot for training and practice, and you can load you practice ammunition to be roughly ballistically the same as your carry ammunition.
If you are a competent reloader, it is quite easy to load ammo to similar specs as many factory SD type loads. In the interest of reducing the CHANCE of a liability case going against you for using "homemade super killer" ammo, use copycat ammo for practice and buy a box of factory loads for carry.
This is what I do even though I doubt that it is that much of a problem. I just don't have much patience with a bunch of lawyer types questioning my actions.
This is what I do even though I doubt that it is that much of a problem. I just don't have much patience with a bunch of lawyer types questioning my actions.
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Glenn E. Meyer
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It is juror types and DA types that will have fun questioning your actions - as pointed out a zillion times as Frank has pointed out.
Zombie horses never die.
Zombie horses never die.
That depends on your view of the case which will be cited, and linked to a zillion other TFL posts, shortly.
I have certain guns that never see a factory load. I carry them around the farm, hunting, or occasionally when I run into town for few minutes. I've never fretted about it and I worry even less because of recent changes in MO's self defense statutes. Others will disagree and that's fine.
I have certain guns that never see a factory load. I carry them around the farm, hunting, or occasionally when I run into town for few minutes. I've never fretted about it and I worry even less because of recent changes in MO's self defense statutes. Others will disagree and that's fine.
Spats McGee
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Yes. Look for Daniel Bias in the threads linked in the thread which was linked by Frank Ettin.cookie5 said:
Take a look in the archive of these threads. The problem with handloads is an evidentiary one, meaning that a SD shooter/defendant who used handloads may or may not get to talk about his manual or his recipe.cookie5 said:
Here's my experience and opinion re: handloads:
Rifle: You can develop handloads that are as reliable, and more accurate than factory ammo. A rifle can be fine tuned for best accuracy and performance with a variety of bullets and powders available.
Shotgun: You can hanload for target or hunting. Did it for years. Don't know when I last killed a bird with factory ammo, except for waterfowl that require steel shot. You can handload that, also, but I never set up for it.
Pistol: If you're a very good handloader, it MAY be possible to equal the reliability of factory ammo, but I don't know if it's possible to exceed it. Even if you have access to the bullets used in the best factory ammo. Yes, you may find a bullet that's more accurate, but is it the best for SD?
I'm an experienced handloader, and I don't carry handloads for SD. It's already been pointed out that many handloaders think more highly of the quality of their loads than the facts would support.
The legal points have been discussed.
Rifle: You can develop handloads that are as reliable, and more accurate than factory ammo. A rifle can be fine tuned for best accuracy and performance with a variety of bullets and powders available.
Shotgun: You can hanload for target or hunting. Did it for years. Don't know when I last killed a bird with factory ammo, except for waterfowl that require steel shot. You can handload that, also, but I never set up for it.
Pistol: If you're a very good handloader, it MAY be possible to equal the reliability of factory ammo, but I don't know if it's possible to exceed it. Even if you have access to the bullets used in the best factory ammo. Yes, you may find a bullet that's more accurate, but is it the best for SD?
I'm an experienced handloader, and I don't carry handloads for SD. It's already been pointed out that many handloaders think more highly of the quality of their loads than the facts would support.
The legal points have been discussed.
myshoulderissore
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Dang, you got me googling, and I read a lot just now! I am a convert, after reading all the cases, to the extent I could access. This thread got me, too. Mas is one sharp cookie!
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Glenn E. Meyer
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Just for grins, this sunday - saw a handload blow up in the shooter's face - scaring the poopy out of him and us near by! Of course, your loads won't and factory ammo may blow up too!
May the zombie horse ride!
May the zombie horse ride!
Marty Hayes
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Besides the legal issues, it is false economy. To hire an expert witness to come to court and explain to the jury why your custom handloads are acceptable in this instance, will cost at least a couple grand. One can buy a lot of factory self-defense ammo for $2,000.
Spats McGee
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I would also submit that if saving money is really the issue, one would save more money by developing a handload that mimics one's chosen factory defensive round.
Marquezj16
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I would like to rephrase this question.
Has there ever been a documented self defense shooting in which the shooter was convicted of a crime because they were using hand loaded ammo?
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