CCW: What's legal and what's not?
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Glenn E. Meyer
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Interestingly though, I think San Antonio
has a local ordinance against loaded
long arms in the vehicle.
We were talking about this at a Karl
Rehn class Saturday - while you can
carry a loaded shotgun into bank - it might
a penetrating look into how local
and state laws are applied.
has a local ordinance against loaded
long arms in the vehicle.
We were talking about this at a Karl
Rehn class Saturday - while you can
carry a loaded shotgun into bank - it might
a penetrating look into how local
and state laws are applied.
It is definitely against San Antonio ordinance to carry an accessible, loaded shotgun or rifle in your vehicle.
For the purpose of this ordinance, ANY ammunition ANYwhere in the weapon means it is "loaded". (So a pump shotgun with shells in the tube but none in the chamber is still loaded.)
There is a question about the ordinance, according to a Bexar County Sheriff's Deputy, whether or not this would apply to a shotgun in the enclosed trunk of a sedan. He actually stated he did not know.
Remember also, it is against state law to carry a firearm in such a manner as to alarm someone. Whatever the heck THAT means!
The Deputy opined the ordinance was meant to do away with guns in pickup truck window racks. After all, some "child" might steal it!
So, to apply this to your situation about what's legal.
You must consider not only Florida state law, but also the ordinances of each county and community that you frequent. Alas, that's research you must do on your own. Guesses and opinions frequently tend to masquerade as fact.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 13, 1999).]
For the purpose of this ordinance, ANY ammunition ANYwhere in the weapon means it is "loaded". (So a pump shotgun with shells in the tube but none in the chamber is still loaded.)
There is a question about the ordinance, according to a Bexar County Sheriff's Deputy, whether or not this would apply to a shotgun in the enclosed trunk of a sedan. He actually stated he did not know.
Remember also, it is against state law to carry a firearm in such a manner as to alarm someone. Whatever the heck THAT means!
The Deputy opined the ordinance was meant to do away with guns in pickup truck window racks. After all, some "child" might steal it!
So, to apply this to your situation about what's legal.
You must consider not only Florida state law, but also the ordinances of each county and community that you frequent. Alas, that's research you must do on your own. Guesses and opinions frequently tend to masquerade as fact.
[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited September 13, 1999).]
Dennis and I discussed this before and in 1989 Texas passed a pre-emption bill that prohibits any city or county govt from passing more restrictive gun control legislation than the state. The only reason SA still has this is because nobody has used the pre-emption arguement against it. I have contacted the AG office about it in Austin and they said that if you are charged that you would have to bring suit against the entity, then the AG would look at it. A case based on this should be dismissed by the judge on these grounds and any conviction under it would probably not stand up under appeal to a higher court, though it might survive an appeal to the Bexar county court it would not to the state supreme court. So much time, so little money, I would love to try this, if I could just sue to get my expenses, time, and trouble back.
Depends on whose law. We have a 2nd Amendment that states our right to own and carry arms shall not be infringed. Any other law that does anything besides support that statement is an infringement. I think we should be demanding that our state representatives eliminate all "carry laws" and, at most, replace them with a Vermont-style law that merely affirms what the second amendment already says and leave it at that.
Jedi Oomodo
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Jeff,
I was just now reading this, and when I saw the bit about SA's ordinance against loaded longarms, I was thinking "what happened to our preemption?". Thank you for clearing that up for me. It's unfortunate that we have an AG so spineless that he would not commit beyond "someone has to challenge it". I wish someone would- hopefully, someone with the money ad STONES to fight it in court. It ain't me, though, since I'm in Dallas and don't have buckets o' cash.
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Rolls of red tape seal your lips, now you're done in;
Their money tips her scales again, make your deal;
Just what is truth? I cannot tell, cannot feel.
The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
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I was just now reading this, and when I saw the bit about SA's ordinance against loaded longarms, I was thinking "what happened to our preemption?". Thank you for clearing that up for me. It's unfortunate that we have an AG so spineless that he would not commit beyond "someone has to challenge it". I wish someone would- hopefully, someone with the money ad STONES to fight it in court. It ain't me, though, since I'm in Dallas and don't have buckets o' cash.
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Lady Justice has been raped, truth assassin;
Rolls of red tape seal your lips, now you're done in;
Their money tips her scales again, make your deal;
Just what is truth? I cannot tell, cannot feel.
The ultimate in vanity
Exploiting their supremacy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe, I can't believe the price we pay- nothing can save us
Justice is lost, Justice is raped, Justice is gone
Pulling your strings,Justice is done...
Seeking no truth, winning is all,
Find it so grim, so true, so real....
If it isn't Scottish, it's CRAP! RKBA!
Welcome to south Texas poitics at its "best".
They are trying to shove stadium #4 down our throats so the spurs don't leave and they are mad 'cause the county beat them to it. We have dead voters voting on a regular basis, Silly council members dispensing favors like LBJ used to do with Kleenex boses and $5 bills, and now, they just discovered that the city inspectors inspect only 5% of new houses and most are unfilt for habitation. The list goes on..be glad u don't live her. As Soon as I finish college, again, I am GONE from here!
They are trying to shove stadium #4 down our throats so the spurs don't leave and they are mad 'cause the county beat them to it. We have dead voters voting on a regular basis, Silly council members dispensing favors like LBJ used to do with Kleenex boses and $5 bills, and now, they just discovered that the city inspectors inspect only 5% of new houses and most are unfilt for habitation. The list goes on..be glad u don't live her. As Soon as I finish college, again, I am GONE from here!
I asked them about it when Morales was the AG. Morales did not permit CHL holders on school grounds with a firearm to pick up or let off their children. That has changed. I hope to be going to work at the AG office in a couple of weeks and will try again from the inside, if my position allows me to 'schmooze' my way into a friendship with someone who can help.
Florida has a preemption law that prohibits counties, cities and local municipalities from passing laws any stricter than those on the state books. A recent ballot initiative gave counties the option of requiring background checks on private sales at gun shows. Otherwise, the state laws are the final arbiter.