Boston Globe: "Politcally Disappearing"

WyldOne

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I know the topics of Bill Maher and Politically Incorrect have almost been talked to death here....But this editorial had an interesting viewpoint that I'm curious to see what people have to say. I have no idea what floodgate(s), if any, I'm opening....

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Politically disappearing


By Cathy Young, 6/17/2002

THE ABC SHOW ''Politically Incorrect,'' which goes off the air at the end of this month after a five-year run, is seen by some as a victim of political correctness - not the left-wing, multicultural, feminist kind that was prevalent when the show was born five years ago, but the post-Sept. 11 kind that brands as unpatriotic anyone who refuses to wrap himself in the flag. (Shortly after the attacks, host Bill Maher questioned the characterization of the terrorists as cowards, since they were willing to die in the act of slamming airplanes into buildings, and suggested that the US military was far more cowardly in bombing the enemy from a safe distance.)


The show's fans lament that its demise will make American culture a less hospitable place for provocative and unorthodox thought.

Some of the outcry that followed Maher's controversial remark did have an unpleasant whiff of ''patriotic correctness,'' particularly when White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer commented that Americans ''need to watch what they say.''

I hope we never get to the point where Americans need to watch what they say, and I don't think Maher's comments, which the Republic can surely survive, should have cost him his job. I wish him well in his endeavors. However, I'm not as sorry that the show is ending as I am that - at least for me - it never lived up to its promise.

There are several reasons for my disappointment. For one, ''Politically Incorrect'' often became a vehicle less for provocative thinking than for provocation as an end in itself, with a too-frequent emphasis on shock rather than thought. What's more, Maher could be smugly intolerant and derisive toward politically incorrect ideas that he happened to dislike (support for gun rights, for example).

Above all, perhaps, I'm disappointed because I once hoped the show would be a breath of fresh air on gender issues, challenging both feminist and conservative dogma. Indeed, Maher has been more than willing to mock feminists and traditionalists alike. But the philosophy he offers hardly seems much of an improvement.

Recently on CNN's ''Larry King Live,'' Maher depicted himself as a champion of embattled men in an antimale culture: ''Somewhere along the line, it became national law that women are spiritual, ethereal, perfect beings, and men are brutish louts.'' That's a good, if exaggerated, point. But Maher's defense of men on ''Politically Incorrect'' has basically amounted to this: Men are louts, and that's just the way they are, so live with it.

Thus, during the Clinton sex scandals, Maher did not simply take the view that committing adultery and lying about it are not impeachable offenses. Rather, he argued that to condemn men for adultery is essentially unfair, since men are by nature philanderers and no real red-blooded male will stay faithful to one woman for 30 years if he has younger and prettier women to choose from. (Validating his own stereotype of the male species, the middle-aged Maher has bragged about dating only ''girls'' in their 20s.)

No doubt, Maher says that he's just telling it like it is; but at times it seems that he can't see the fact for theory. Thus, he has cited Prince Charles as an example of a man unfairly condemned for doing what comes naturally to men, i.e. cheating on his wife - even though all evidence suggests that Charles is not a philanderer but a one-woman man who married the wrong woman.

Maher is entitled to his beliefs about the sexes. (At least he is an equal-opportunity offender: Discussing actress Winona Ryder's shoplifting arrest, he made the sweeping declaration that ''girls steal,'' citing his girlfriends as an example.) But the sad truth is that his rhetoric about men isn't politically incorrect at all: It's a mirror image of both feminist and popular cliches of men as pigs. Such politically incorrect topics as domestic violence against men were brought up on his show only to be subjected to merciless ridicule.

With champions like that, men hardly need enemies.

Does this mean that I'm celebrating the end of ''Politically Incorrect''? Hardly. For one, the implication that Maher lost his show because he said something controversial is disturbing. As for perspectives on gender issues, the show ABC is planning as a replacement for ''Politically Incorrect'' will be hosted by Jimmy Kimmel, host of Comedy Central's ''The Man Show'' - which is based on the same ''men are pigs and proud of it'' premise, but substitutes sheer vulgarity for Maher's wry wit. Progress, indeed.

Cathy Young is a contributing editor at Reason magazine. Her column appears regularly in the Globe.

This story ran on page A11 of the Boston Globe on 6/17/2002.
© Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.
 
I'd feel a lot worse about this if he wasn't such a stupid ****ing jerk in the first place.

I could never stand him, and I've been waiting for him to just disappear.
 

DonP

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The original premise for the show was good

I used to watch it on Comedy Central in its original incarnation and it was pretty good thr first couple of years.

Maher used to have a genuine cross section of America with stars, semi-stars and people off the street mixing it up on the set. It was interesting and Maher ususually kept his opinions to himself. He ocassionally served as agent provocateur just to stir things up.

Then he went to the network and all of a sudden he started to do the worst thing anyone can do inhis job. he started to believe his own press releases about how insightful and smart he was.

Then the only guests became celebrities or pseudo celebrity wanna-be's pushing a book or a new movie. The conservative viewpoint is almost always outnumbered three to one when its there at all.

The show ratings went into the toilet, not because of anything he said about 9/11, but because it's a dull show. Characters like Maher and Ellen DeGeneres would rather blame somebody else than admit they just aren't funny or entertaining anymore.

Don P.
 

Blackhawk

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Characters like Maher and Ellen DeGeneres would rather blame somebody else than admit they just aren't funny or entertaining anymore.
In a word, they're boring.

That's something their egos simply can't accept. He'll have time to get used to it....
 

OF

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It's funny just how politically correct Politically Incorrect was, isn't it? Isn't Maher a self-proclaimed libertarian?

HA!

- Gabe
 

USP45

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Some of the outcry that followed Maher's controversial remark did have an unpleasant whiff of ''patriotic correctness,''

Upleasant?

Ms. Young is a Twit.

Mr. Maher was a victim of, "this show sucks, but we need an excuse to cancel it." Unfortunately for Mr. Maher, he gave them a reason.

The title of his absurd little program was an object lesson in irony. There was nothing politically incorrect about his show. Usually consisting of 3-4 Liberals vs. 0-1 Conservatives with Maher trying to act like some sort of high-brow moderator/god.

ABC is having a rather rough go of it lately. Remember, this is the home of P. Jennings and his anti-USA banning of that great song for their 4th special.

~USP
 

DC

Moderator Emeritus
Ms Young does make some valid points...mostly in the objective criticism of Maher and the show.
Then she forgets what she said!

As some have noted, the show was plain bad, dull and formulaic....way past his 15 min. Every single show was identical to the one the previous night.

No one infringed on Maher's opinion or free speech. He said what he wanted to and then, like all of us, he has to take the consequences. Rather than take his licks like a mensch, he then tried to weenie out of his statements and made the situation worse.
Ms Young either forgets or doesn't understand that ABC is a business that exists to make money; ABC is under no obligation to furnish Maher with a bully pulpit; ABC is under no obligation to keep a show that has lousy ratings; and ABC is under no obligation to keep a show that will not generate revenue and alienate viewers. Jeez Cathy, this is frigging TV.
 

Bud Helms

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"... But the sad truth is that his rhetoric about men isn't politically incorrect at all: It's a mirror image of both feminist and popular cliches of men as pigs. ..."

Oh, yeah, "Politically Incorrect", my butt.

The above quote from the article could have been rewritten to say, "... But the sad truth is that his rhetoric about guns isn't politically incorrect at all: It's a mirror image of ... popular cliches of gunowners as pigs. ..." Here's a quote I remember: "Would somebody please tell me why anyone would need an AK-47 to go hunting?" Where do you start with so many built-in false assumptions?

Too bad. A great venue. Bill Maher is a great example of a person that is totally unaware of their liberal-socialist leanings. Stands out there on the left and thinks everyone to the right of him on the political spectrum is a right-wing nut of one type or other.
 

HankB

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. . . an unpleasant whiff of ''patriotic correctness,'' particularly when White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer commented that Americans ''need to watch what they say.''

I hope we never get to the point where Americans need to watch what they say . . .
Ummm . . . the Left has been intolerant of people saying the "wrong" things for a LONG time. Saying something "politically incorrect" can get commentators suspended, schoolchildren suspended or expelled, employees fired, invited speakers heckled and silenced . . .

Not that two wrongs make a right, but when the shoe is on the other foot . . . it pinches.

(BTW, agree that Maher's show is getting axed because of low ratings due to the show being lousy for reasons already cited above. This "controversy" looks like a spindoctor's made-up issue for Maher to save face and avoid having to admit his show stinks.)
 

thumbtack

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I don't care why he is gone, just as long he is gone. I have tried to watch the show when Ted Nugent is on or some other Pro RKBA, but the show is unwatchable.
 

longeyes

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Like many another perpetual adolescent working out his personal issues under the guise of political views, Maher is fitfully provocative but ultimately tedious. He just wants to be loved--preferably by much young women.
 
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