target shooter, thank you not only for the info, but also for giving me something relevant to my post. i reloaded a cylinder;s worth of 10.5 of BLUE DOT under a rem. 158 gr. jhp. and tried em. medium recoil & blast, very accurrate and according to lyman it should be doing in the neighborhood of 1100 fps. would be nice if there was data for bulk rem. or win. bullets