I don't think I was clear enough in my original post. My bad. I didn't really mention what I wanted it for. I'm one of the odd people that likes light backpacking for multiple days through rugged terrain. In NH, that means far north, in bear and moose country. I lived in AK for 3 years, and I've seen the results of both types of maulings. True, most of them were due to stupidity on the part of the 2 legged maulee ( Let's pet the cute baby moose/bear!), but that's not always the case. I would like a pistol ( not larger than 5" ) that can be easily backpacked around, very reliable, and last but not least, able to pacify a bear ( preferably until he stops breathing ). I'm not saying that the 10mm isn't an effective manstopper, but I'm fairly certain that the only way you can kill a bear with your Delta Elite is if he chokes on it after accidentally swallowing it while eating you. The LAR Grizzly is an excellent choice, but I haven't seen one for sale with a barrel less than 6.5". And don't get me started on the .50GI conversion kit on the Glock. No matter how safe it may actually be, I still get the willies when I think about a .50 slug on a polymer platform. Plus I don't like Glocks. I'd probably buy one if they made it for my SA XD(m), just because I feel that if I was going to take my chances, I'll do it with my springfield. The idea I've really liked is the 1911 with the .460 Rowland. What amounts to a magnum .45? whats not to like? I'll have to give that a look.