Best Defensive Ammo for .38 Snubby and Pocket .380

I’m looking for recommendations on the best carry ammo for a .38 special snubby and a Ruger LCP. I’m not overly concerned with recoil, just looking for the best ballistics I can get out of these short barrels in both .38 and .380. I’ve watched a lot of YouTube videos but I’m looking for advice based on y’all’s experience. Thanks in advance!
 

rock185

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Welcome Malcolm. I don't know on the .380. But I've occasionally chronographed .38 Spcl. ammunition in the little 2" revolvers. Best ballistics I've ever encountered in these short barrels is the Underwood ammunition. I recently chronographed the Underwood 125 and 158 grain .38 +P in a 2" gun. The 125 grain averaged 1090 FPS, the 158 grain 1055 FPS. This is far better than any major manufacturer .38+P I'd tested in past. If you decide to use either of the Underwood loads I tested, especially the 158 grain, in a little revolver, it's good you're not overly concerned with recoil. Buffalo Bore advertises similar loadings. While I've chronographed other BB loads, I've not yet tested any of their .38+P offerings..
 

unclenunzie

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In 38 special I like the gold dot 135 grain +p, or the winchester RA38B. In 380 I like hornady critical defense or any good factory loading of the XTP projectile.
 

WmMunny

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As I’ve posted before— and which is contrary to the forum’s orthodoxy— the best self defense round is the one you can consistently place several of into a paper plate mounted chest-high a few yards away.

Shot placement is far more important than the extra 73 FPS velocity, .03 inches of expansion and half-inch of penetration you might get from that X-Blaster Gold Tip Super-Zowee round at $47 the box of 20 (when you can find them in stock)...

Just one guy’s opinion :)
 
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TunnelRat

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Shot placement is far more important than the extra 73 FPS velocity, .03 inches of expansion and half-inch of penetration you might get from that X-Blaster Gold Tip Super-Zowee round at $47 the box of 20 (when you can find them in stock)...

Jost one guy’s opinion :)

Shot placement and those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
 

Nick_C_S

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I carry Speer Gold Dot 135-gr +Ps.

Me too. My personal choice. They are crafted specifically for short barreled revolvers.

I have personally chronographed them at 909 f/s through my Smith M60 2" bbl (1 7/8", to be more accurate).

945 f/s through my 4" M67.
 

2damnold4this

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My favorite .38 Special snubby load is the Federal HST but it's not currently available anywhere. I can't find the Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +p either.

The ammo I can find is Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain +p. Full wadcutters are an option; Either the hard cast specialty loads from companies like Buffalo Bore and Underwood or soft target loads from companies like Federal or Winchester.

The Federal HST +p, Speer 135 grain +p, and Hornady CD were designed to expand in short barrels. Other .38 Special loads like the Speer 125 grain +p were designed for 4" barrels and might not work well in a snubby. A hollow point that doesn't expand acts like an FMJ and performs worse than a wadcutter.

If your firearm has fixed sights, like most snubbies, finding a load that hits to the sights is more important than other factors. Hornady CD 110 grain +p hits to point of aim in one of my snubbies but the federal hst was better in the S&W 342 I prefer to carry. Unfortunately, I am down to four rounds of HST after putting down an injured animal and can't find any more.
 

44caliberkid

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My 380’s are stoked with Remington Golden Saber, just because that was readily available at the time. My daughter’s 38 snub uses Hornady Critical Defense, not sure about the bullet weight but I would guess 130 range. If I was carrying one I’d use my handload of a hollow base wadcutter loaded backwards and AA#5 for about 850 fps.
 

fastbolt

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"Best" is a discussion that typically evokes a lot of personal opinions. ;)

Most average folks find the smallest .380's and the 5-shot snub .38's to be difficult to shoot, meaning accurately and controllably. Especially the lightest weight 5-shot snubs, since they produce more felt recoil.

I spoke with an established trainer who was assisting a large PD develop a pilot program for issuing 5-shot snubs for secondary and off-duty roles. During the development phase, testing of assorted officers revealed that the use of the modern +P loads produced some accuracy issues for the officers, especially when some demanding conditions were being used. Then they tried some old-fashioned 148gr target wadcutters. Shooter accuracy & controllability greatly increased ... as did shooter confidence. Last I'd heard, they were looking at adopting the mild TWC loads, although I lost touch with the guy running the program.

Sol, what's 'best'? Choosing the snub (all-steel or lightweight) and ammunition that enhances shooter accuracy and controllability, or choosing ammunition which makes it harder for the shooter to get accurate, effective hits ... even under normal range conditions?

Me? I tend to use one of 2-3 different +P loads in my +P capable snubs, and some various standard pressure JHP's in a snub built on the older Airweight frame (before being rated for a diet of +P). I've found my own balance of accuracy and controllability using the ammunition choices that have been available to me.

Would I still carry one of my snubs if the only ammunition I could find was a 158gr LSWC or 148gr TWC? Well, it's better than 158gr RNL or 130gr Jacketed Ball, I'd think.

Accurate hits matter, and being able to better place accurate hits in anatomically effective areas are arguably easier if the shooter doesn't have controllability and excessive recoil problems. You'd hope, anyway.

My pair of LCP's have typically seen Speer GDHP, Rem GS or W-W T-Series. Why? Because those were the loads available to me. Sure, I've tried some other loads, and while they all feed/fire in my LCP's, in my hands, I prefer using the 3 loads first listed. I'm almost out of the T-Series, though, and won't pay the cost of even the individual officer pricing, so it's the Speer and Rem loads I commonly use. (Whichever box is handiest when loading a magazine.) Now, the .380 is what I consider to be on the lowest rung of 'marginally adequate', and IF a JHP expands, it can come at the cost of penetration.

I tend to choose a 5-shot snub for the bullet weight advantage of the .38 SPL loads I prefer. The LCP .380 is a second choice, for when a jeans pocket might be a bit too short and small to accommodate one of my snubs.

That's me. Everyone has to determine such things for themselves. I arrived at my own choices over the course of many years serving as a LE firearms instructor an armorer, and having followed OIS and other shooting incidents.

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch (TANSTAAFL), though, and not everyone will agree on what may be an acceptable compromise.
 

Jack19

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If you can find them, Federal's Hydra Shok .380 DEEP work very well.

I use them in a Glock 42 which has a longer barrel than the LCP variants.
 
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