BartB.
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Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
Last time here was January 25th.
Jim Watson
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THR today.
603Country
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I PM'd him a while back, just to be sure he was Ok. He was fine. I think he just got tired of dealing with us. Not having him on the forum, as far as I'm concerned, is our loss. He's extremely knowledgable, though a bit opinionated.
Hunter Customs
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I figure we are all opinionated, nothing wrong with that, I always enjoyed reading his post.
Best Regards
Bob Hunter
Best Regards
Bob Hunter
g.willikers
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Heck, hearing someone's opinions is an opportunity to air ours.
Keeps conversations going, the very fuel of forums.
Keeps conversations going, the very fuel of forums.
He's sent a ton of lead through the target butts, and yes what a wealth of info.
Sometimes I read his old post just to refresh memories of what he's trying to convey to us, and yes maybe you don't get every thing he's saying but it's still valuable to us.
As far as I'm concerned, he's a true legend of shooting sports and his comments will always be valid.
Sometimes I read his old post just to refresh memories of what he's trying to convey to us, and yes maybe you don't get every thing he's saying but it's still valuable to us.
As far as I'm concerned, he's a true legend of shooting sports and his comments will always be valid.
reynolds357
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He knows precision rifle shooting. It is just hard for some people on here to realize that every accurate piece of knowledge does not have an internet link available to it. I never heard him say anything I could prove wrong.
I have been a fan of Bart for 19 years.
Every since this post on usenet:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.guns/iL7zv-cktJc
I have been following him from forum to forum.
I am now getting as good of groups at 100 yards as he is getting at 800 yards.
Every since this post on usenet:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.guns/iL7zv-cktJc
I have been following him from forum to forum.
I am now getting as good of groups at 100 yards as he is getting at 800 yards.
Back in the day, I was following Gale Mcmillan here in TFL rifle country with his round bottomed Rem 700s and Bart Bobbitt on rec.guns with his flat bottomed Win M70s. They both returned messages to me, but that was 4 computers ago.
Using De Haas's book "Bolt Action Rifles" 4th edition, I have compiled a list of attributes of these two rifles and give the Howa a 50% rating for being in between.
the 98 Mauser has:
1) flat bottomed receiver to take torque from rifling
2) controlled feed
3) claw typed extractor
4) safety on firing pin, often modified to be 2 or 3 position M70 type
5) multi stage gas filter on firing pin hole
6) bolt handle is integrally forged as part of bolt body
7) safety lug below rear bridge
8) integral recoil lug
9) knife ejector in bolt lug slot
The rem 700
1) receiver made from round tubing
2) push feed
3) little wimpy extractor
4) safety on trigger
5) simple bolt
6) bolt handle tacked on with screw and solder
7) nothing
8) recoil lug is a modified washer that is captured by the receiver and barrel
9) plunger ejector
Of the ~100 bolt action covered in the above book, they seem to all be on the spectrum somewhere between the simple Rem700 and the complex 1898 Mauser design.
The Howa 1500:
1) flat bottom receiver
2) push feed
3) short claw extractor is bigger than rem, but smaller than M98
4) three position bolt safety
5) simple bolt
6) Integral bolt handle
7) nothing
8) integral recoil lug
9) plunger ejector
I would give the Howa Mauser scale = ~50% Mauser
I would give the Howa Rem700 scale = ~50% Rem700
Using De Haas's book "Bolt Action Rifles" 4th edition, I have compiled a list of attributes of these two rifles and give the Howa a 50% rating for being in between.
the 98 Mauser has:
1) flat bottomed receiver to take torque from rifling
2) controlled feed
3) claw typed extractor
4) safety on firing pin, often modified to be 2 or 3 position M70 type
5) multi stage gas filter on firing pin hole
6) bolt handle is integrally forged as part of bolt body
7) safety lug below rear bridge
8) integral recoil lug
9) knife ejector in bolt lug slot
The rem 700
1) receiver made from round tubing
2) push feed
3) little wimpy extractor
4) safety on trigger
5) simple bolt
6) bolt handle tacked on with screw and solder
7) nothing
8) recoil lug is a modified washer that is captured by the receiver and barrel
9) plunger ejector
Of the ~100 bolt action covered in the above book, they seem to all be on the spectrum somewhere between the simple Rem700 and the complex 1898 Mauser design.
The Howa 1500:
1) flat bottom receiver
2) push feed
3) short claw extractor is bigger than rem, but smaller than M98
4) three position bolt safety
5) simple bolt
6) Integral bolt handle
7) nothing
8) integral recoil lug
9) plunger ejector
I would give the Howa Mauser scale = ~50% Mauser
I would give the Howa Rem700 scale = ~50% Rem700